why your distro sucks

[Aaron Cordova]

I agree, I have seen the distro wars in news groups and they carry on for a 
couple of weeks. Distro wars are lame. Fighting over software is lame too. 
Use whatever distro and whatever packages you want, thats one of the great 
benefits of FREEDOM.






>From: "Garrett" <psylence@cox.net>
>Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
>Subject: Re: why your distro sucks
>Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:22:49 -0700
>
>Distro wars are boring and senseless.
>
>Use whatever works for you. Any of the distributions can be set up properly
>or improperly. I concurrently use Debian, Redhat, and Trustix with GRSEC 
>and
>ACLs; they all do the trick. Red Hat sits on my desktop and never gets
>booted (grin, linux doesn't run Softice, or Hitman 2), Trustix on 
>perimeter,
>and Debian on the other computers.
>
>I generally take Debian to clients and customers since Debian has the
>oh-so-wonderful apt-get, but that's also my preference. Another reason I
>take Debian to customers is that I have never taken the time to learn how 
>to
>properly secure most other distros out of the box, while I believe I have
>done so with Debian. That doesn't make Debian the better distro, but it 
>does
>make Debian a better choice for my situation. In my experience, customers
>usually don't care unless they intend to develop software for it (and then
>they probably won't be using consultants to set it up, anyhow), they just
>want the job done. And besides, all of the distributions do the same thing.
>They all run the kernel, you install software, break it, remove it, develop
>it, hack it to pieces, etc.
>
>In response to your posed questions:
>
>1) It does no good to berate anyone for anything computer-related (unless
>your kid wiped your HD or something). Computers aren't life.
>2) Normally the people who are quick to condescend based on someone else's
>choice of software are simply inferring that they don't know much about 
>said
>software. I take advantage of times like that to familiarize myself with
>mail filters and the /ignore feature of most IRC clients. :)
>
>My /bin/2cents,
>Garrett
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Craig White" <craigwhite@azapple.com>
>To: <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:38 PM
>Subject: why your distro sucks
>
>
> > I am not gonna mention any names but I find some of the bludgeoning that
> > goes on with some people's opinion often going over the top.
> >
> > I have used Redhat since 5.2 (but I think 6.0 had already been released)
> > and it was 6.1 or 6.2 by the time I was starting to understand what it
> > was that I was looking at. My usage at that time was primarily as a
> > firewall / mail /webserver for Macintosh & Windows networks.
> >
> > To this point, I have always used Redhat as my distro, sendmail as my
> > MTA, UW-IMAP as my pop/imap server, wu-ftpd as the ftp daemon etc.
> >
> > Perhaps my ignorance has been the cause of my bliss but the stuff has
> > always worked. Yes, RH 6.1's sendmail allowed open mail relay but I
> > learned to close it. Yes, I had some boxes hacked into way back when but
> > it was my ignorance on a proper firewall and I learned ipchains very
> > well. While I can't make heads or tails of the sendmail rulesets, I
> > found out, I didn't have to...I only needed to know how to use the
> > sendmail.mc file and the m4 utility and how to masquerade a domain, how
> > to accept mail for a domain, use authentication for sending and how to
> > create aliases. I also figured out how to chroot a 'unix user' in
> > wu-ftpd and uw-imap has never failed me.
> >
> > Since my experience with linux has only been for maybe 3 1/2 years, I
> > don't have any knowledge of sendmail/uw-imap/wu-ftpd frailties of the
> > past...I only know that these packages have been rock solid for 3 1/2
> > years now...have worked day in/day out and I actually learned how to
> > configure them and life is good. I'm getting pretty good at this
> > stuff...I even have been trying to help the guy with Mandrake even
> > though I have never seen a computer running Mandrake.
> >
> > I am certain that the opinion is held by many knowledgable circles,
> > there are better than sendmail/uw-imap/wu-ftpd and Redhat.
> >
> > My point is that what purpose does it serve to berate me or anyone else
> > for using Redhat or any of these packages? Why isn't it obvious that
> > those who gently suggest that there may be a better way appear to be
> > more knowledgable than those who can't pass up an opportunity to suggest
> > that you are stupid for using them. It reminds me of stupid Macintosh
> > users that wanted to grab some elitist high ground because of the
> > computer that they were using.
> >
> > I can tell you this...using Redhat has meant that I don't have to
> > educate my customers on why I'm using debian which they have never heard
> > of instead of Redhat which they have.
> >
> > I will install debian soon enough...if not at the non-profit, certainly
> > on the next computer for my own personal use. But Redhat has been a
> > tremendous asset to the open source / free software community,
> > especially when breaking into the corporate offices as the first wave of
> > free software in the Microsoft stranglehold.
> >
> > My suggestion...if you prefer one package over another or one distro
> > over another and you don't have the time and/or energy to actually say
> > why, then just say that this is what you prefer. If you feel the need to
> > trample the stuff that is working fine for me, you should know that I
> > will lose some respect for your opinion.
> >
> > Craig
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