Some of the PLUGers at the Stammtisch expressed an interest in low cost refurbished PCs sans OSes. Here's one TODAY for 278 USD. 667MHz Celeron system with a 4x4x32x CD-RW Drive 40GB IDE hard drive, 64MB of RAM (2 DIMM slots exp to 256), Speakers, Modem & More! mini-tower microATX / Intel 810 chipset 3 PCI slots (One used) http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=GENXE742 Gontran