Interesting MS Comments

[Bill Warner]

t's time to realy wonder how loyal our big friends are like IBM, Compaq,
HP, Sun, etc.... We are still in the spot for many of these companies
that
if the quality of Linux is high enough they will push for the demand.
Even
if Linux is only as good as windows (technicaly and useably) These
companies
will begin to look at TCO over windows.  The more things that Microsoft 
uses to try to lock people into one microsoft solution, the more people
are
going to get mad when they find that there high end sun workstations
wont
network well with there w2k servers and that exchange wont work as
seemlessly
as evolution etc....

I am talking in the the futre tence here.  I use linux because it is
good enough now
and has potitial to be far better in the future.  where as windows may
be better
in some ways for what I do I just don't see the potitial of windows
going much
farther than it has already.  Linux (or something based on linux or
other Open source)
WILL someday run the software world.  Right now opensource is still
playing
catchup with closed source software.

just my $2.00 worth


On 16 Feb 2001 11:24:08 -0700, Jim wrote:
> My thoughts exactly, Trent.
> 
> Also, who else has more money, power, and influence to mount a legal 
> attack against GPL/LGPL/ect.  If they can poke holes in the legal 
> protections guaranteed by the Open Source licenses, the end is near.
> 
> On Friday 16 February 2001 11:13, you wrote:
> > Hardly clueless, but obviously scared.
> >
> > MS is signaling the start of a *major* disinformation campaign.  OS
> > market share is obviously partly in play, but arguing open source is
> > anti-competitive would indicate Microsoft is making a strategic move.
> >
> > Maybe they want to eliminate GNU or Java style licenses.  Also, much
> > open source software seems to be developed by quasi-cartels.  An IBM -
> > SUN cartel disguised as an open source collaboration should frighten
> > Microsoft.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On Behalf Of
> > > Deepak Saxena
> > > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:21 AM
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: Interesting MS Comments
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It shows how clueless and scared Microsoft is about open source at the
> > > moment.
> > >
> > > ~Deepak
> > >
> > > On Feb 16 2001, at 09:12, Lucas Vogel was caught saying:
> > > > Not only was this posted on Slashdot yesterday, but it had over
> > >
> > > 1300 or so
> > >
> > > > comments posted to it.
> > > >
> > > > It's a good insight to the views some of the MS executives have on
> > > > open source, but I really don't think it has any teeth - even if MS
> > > > does.
> > > >
> > > > IMHO,
> > > >
> > > > Lucas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ===========================
> > > > Lucas Vogel
> > > > Exponent, Inc.
> > > > lvogel@exponent.com
> > > > 623-587-6739    work
> > > > 623-587-4191    fax
> > > > ===========================
> > > > http://www.exponent.com
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jeffrey Pyne [mailto:jpyne@worldatwork.org]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:03 AM
> > > > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > > > Subject: Interesting MS Comments
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw a link to this article on another list and found it amusing:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?T=marketsquote99_news.ht&
> > > > > s=AOospdBaQTWl
> > > > > jcm9z
> > > > >
> > > > > (If it hasn't already been posted to Slashdot, I'm sure it will
> > > > > soon.)
> > > > >
> > > > > A couple excerpts:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Microsoft Corp.'s Windows operating-system chief, Jim
> > > > > Allchin, says that
> > > > > freely distributed software code such as rival Linux could
> > > > > stifle innovation
> > > > > and that legislators need to understand the threat."
> > > > >
> > > > >   -and-
> > > > >
> > > > > "I'm an American, I believe in the American Way," he said. "I
> > > > > worry if the
> > > > > government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done
> > > > > enough education of policy makers to understand the threat."
> > > > >
> > > > > Well heck afire!  I didn't realize that Linux was UNAMERICAN.  I
> > > > > am unsubscribing from this list immediately, and when I get home I
> > > > > am going to
> > > > > blow away my Slackware 7.1 installation (evil, evil!) and
> > > > > install Windows
> > > > > 2000.  (To do so I'll just need to stop by Fry's on the way
> > > > > home to pick up
> > > > > and extra 256Mb of RAM-- good thing it's on sale for $44.95.)
> > > > >  I'm just glad
> > > > > Mr. Allchin warned us all before it was too late....
> > > > >
> > > > > :)
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Jeff
> > > > >
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