\_ APT totally rocks. I *REALLY* wish all other \_ Unices would adopt it. hmm. I remember the fun of seeing GUD in fsf-emacs the first time. Grand Unified Debugger. How about "we" create PURN, Package Unifier: Really Neat, and have it crack all disti files and "do the right thing" for install. People keep saying PURN is all over the internet already, how come I haven't seen it? :-) David