New business startup help/suggestions/info needed
Justin
justin@securityhole.net
Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:36:18 -0700
Isnt Laptop Lane only in Terminal 2?
Personally I have always thought that a good place for something like this
is actually Las Vegas, on the strip. There are only a few Hotels that offer
Internet access, Via business center, etc. With Comdex and CES you should
make enough money to pay all bills for the year.
-Justin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lucas Vogel" <lvogel@exponent.com>
To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed
> The airport is already covered; they have Laptop Lane. But the mall(s)
might
> be a good idea...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tilby, Lynn # PHX [mailto:LTilby@simatics.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:12 AM
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed
> >
> >
> > Cyber-Cafe suggestions:
> >
> > Try Malls & the airport... I recently tried to use a terminal
> > connection
> > place at SLC airport and found out they had only been open a
> > couple of weeks
> > and were overbooked! A cyber-cafe at each terminal building
> > in the Airport
> > I think would do VERY well!
> >
> > Put together a spread sheet. Cross your t's and dot your
> > i's! If you are
> > disabled you should have NO! problem finding funding all over
> > the place!!!!
> > The ONLY problem is filling out all the paper work! This is doable!!
> >
> > Lynn P. Tilby
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > Subject: Plug-discuss digest, Vol 1 #436 - 18 msgs
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Re: Linux Today (Jim)
> > > 2. python: string.replace(..) won't work (Lucas Vogel)
> > > 3. Re: diffing special chars (plug@arcticmail.com)
> > > 4. Re: diffing special chars (plug@arcticmail.com)
> > > 5. RE: python: string.replace(..) won't work (Lucas Vogel)
> > > 6. DeCSS Time-Warner Hypocrisy (Mike Cantrell)
> > > 7. Re: DeCSS Time-Warner Hypocrisy (Jim)
> > > 8. Re: python: string.replace(..) won't work (der.hans)
> > > 9. Re: diffing special chars (der.hans)
> > > 10. Re: diffing special chars (der.hans)
> > > 11. JLF = Kibo ? (Dennis Sacks)
> > > 12. Re: JLF = Kibo ? (Alan Dayley)
> > > 13. RE: JLF = Kibo ? (Michael Sheldon)
> > > 14. RE: diffing special chars (Lucas Vogel)
> > > 15. The Linux Drivers Petition (Lucas Vogel)
> > > 16. New business startup help/suggestions/info needed (Hawke)
> > > 17. Re: JLF = Kibo ? (J.L.Francois)
> > > 18. Re: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed
> > (Dennis Sacks)
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > From: Jim <farli@wiredglobal.com>
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: Linux Today
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:24:53 -0700
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > Never mind - it seems to be back up and running
> > >
> > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> > > > Anyone else having trouble getting to the linuxtoday.com website?
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > Always practice safe HEX
> > > >
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> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > Always practice safe HEX
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > From: Lucas Vogel <lvogel@exponent.com>
> > > To: plug1 <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Subject: python: string.replace(..) won't work
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:54:18 -0700
> > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > Could someone take a look at this and tell me what's wrong at
> > > string.replace()?
> > >
> > > #Begin code---------------------
> > >
> > > import string, os, sys, re
> > >
> > > fName = sys.argv[1]
> > > s1 = sys.argv[2]
> > > s2 = sys.argv[3]
> > >
> > > f=open(fName,'rw')
> > >
> > > s=f.read()
> > >
> > > print "string.replace(" + `s` + ", " + `s1` + ", " + `s2` + ")"
> > > string.replace(s,s1,s2)
> > >
> > >
> > > print "s is now: " + `s` + "\n"
> > >
> > >
> > > #end code-----------------------
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------
> > > Lucas Vogel, Software Developer
> > > LandWarrior Project
> > > Exponent Inc.
> > > lvogel@exponent.com
> > > phone: (623)587-6739
> > > fax: (623)587-4187
> > > ------------www.exponent.com---------------
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:18:04 -0700
> > > From: plug@arcticmail.com
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > >
> > > Seems odd that GNU "diff -r" won't recursively diff
> > > the dirs (akin to "dircmp") without choking on filenames
> > > that have evil characters. The GNU stuff is usually
> > > pretty good.
> > >
> > > Instead of "tr", could you tell GNU find not to do its
> > > shell metacharacter autoescaping thing, and pipe find's
> > > output through "strings -a" to strip out the evil
> > > characters?
> > >
> > > Admittedly, the perl solutions are MUCH better, but
> > > this technique might "get you by."
> > >
> > >
> > > D
> > >
> > > * On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 05:58:08PM -0700, der.hans wrote:
> > > > Am 24. Aug, 2000 schwäzte shadoiOsoulmachine.com so:
> > > >
> > > > > Maybe piping the output from ls -b or find to tr with
> > some options
> > > > > would do the trick.. Maybe using grep to pull out only
> > the ones you
> > > > > want to fix for speed..
> > > >
> > > > With tr I have to take into account all the special chars
> > :(. It won't
> > > > change "\ " into " ", since it only works on single chars. Rod's
> > > > suggestion of sed looks like it should work, if I can get
> > sed to behave
> > > > the way it seems it should or failing that find out how
> > sed actually
> > > > behaves :). That would actually fix something else for me as well.
> > > >
> > > > For now I'm using perl on the file after it was created.
> > Already had to
> > > do
> > > > that for something else, so it's not a great sin, just
> > something else to
> > > > try to move back to shell later on :).
> > > >
> > > > ciao,
> > > >
> > > > der.hans
> > > > --
> > > > H der.hansOLuftHans.com home.pages.de/~lufthans/
> > www.Opnix.com
> > > > H Help Jerry Lewis stamp out M$...oops that's MDA - der.hans
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:28:55 -0700
> > > From: plug@arcticmail.com
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > >
> > > Regex Law One:
> > >
> > > One can easily create a regex.
> > >
> > > Regex Law Two:
> > >
> > > In the time required to decipher a regex,
> > > even a regex written by yourself, one could
> > > have created a new regex from scratch in
> > > one-tenth the time, because of Law One.
> > >
> > >
> > > D
> > >
> > > * On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 08:24:21PM -0700, J.L.Francois wrote:
> > > > I just took a look thru my copy of
> > > > Mastering Regular Expressions ( O'Reilly ) a.k.a The Owl Book.
> > > >
> > > > It looks like this can be done in bash but I am not
> > willing to spend
> > > > the time creating something that no one will ever be able to
> > > > read or modify. It looks a lot easier in Perl.
> > > >
> > > > Trust me, anyone that has done RegExp scripting knows what I mean
> > > > when I say a regexp takes one week to being incomprehensible.
> > > >
> > > > Get the book and give it a shot. It should be worth it.
> > > >
> > > > JLF Sends...
> > > >
> > > > It seems like on Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 05:58:08PM -0700, der.hans
> > > scribbled:
> > > > Orig Msg> Am 24. Aug, 2000 schwäzte shadoi@soulmachine.com so:
> > > > Orig Msg>
> > > > Orig Msg> > Maybe piping the output from ls -b or find to
> > tr with some
> > > options
> > > > Orig Msg> > would do the trick.. Maybe using grep to pull
> > out only the
> > > ones you
> > > > Orig Msg> > want to fix for speed..
> > > > Orig Msg>
> > > > Orig Msg> With tr I have to take into account all the
> > special chars :(.
> > > It won't
> > > > Orig Msg> change "\ " into " ", since it only works on
> > single chars.
> > > Rod's
> > > > Orig Msg> suggestion of sed looks like it should work, if
> > I can get sed
> > > to behave
> > > > Orig Msg> the way it seems it should or failing that find
> > out how sed
> > > actually
> > > > Orig Msg> behaves :). That would actually fix something
> > else for me as
> > > well.
> > > > Orig Msg>
> > > > Orig Msg> For now I'm using perl on the file after it was created.
> > > Already had to do
> > > > Orig Msg> that for something else, so it's not a great sin, just
> > > something else to
> > > > Orig Msg> try to move back to shell later on :).
> > > > Orig Msg>
> > > > Orig Msg> ciao,
> > > > Orig Msg>
> > > > Orig Msg> der.hans
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________________________
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> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > From: Lucas Vogel <lvogel@exponent.com>
> > > To: plug1 <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Subject: RE: python: string.replace(..) won't work
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:30:55 -0700
> > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > Holy cow! Talk about dumb mistakes. I need to catch the output from
> > > string.replace into another variable. Sorry for the
> > traffic, everyone.
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Lucas Vogel
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:54 PM
> > > > To: plug1
> > > > Subject: python: string.replace(..) won't work
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Could someone take a look at this and tell me what's wrong at
> > > > string.replace()?
> > > >
> > > > #Begin code---------------------
> > > >
> > > > import string, os, sys, re
> > > >
> > > > fName = sys.argv[1]
> > > > s1 = sys.argv[2]
> > > > s2 = sys.argv[3]
> > > >
> > > > f=open(fName,'rw')
> > > >
> > > > s=f.read()
> > > >
> > > > print "string.replace(" + `s` + ", " + `s1` + ", " + `s2` + ")"
> > > > string.replace(s,s1,s2)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > print "s is now: " + `s` + "\n"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > #end code-----------------------
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------
> > > > Lucas Vogel, Software Developer
> > > > LandWarrior Project
> > > > Exponent Inc.
> > > > lvogel@exponent.com
> > > > phone: (623)587-6739
> > > > fax: (623)587-4187
> > > > ------------www.exponent.com---------------
> > > >
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:35:05 -0700 (MST)
> > > From: Mike Cantrell <yomahz@devnull.org>
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: DeCSS Time-Warner Hypocrisy
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > This was just posted on slashdot.. I love the irony...
> > apparently CNN
> > > (owned by Time-Warner) linked to a list of DeCSS mirrors:
> > >
> > >
> > http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backIssues/2000/08/25#anothe
> > rProblemForT
> > > imewarner
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike Cantrell
> > >
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > From: Jim <farli@wiredglobal.com>
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: DeCSS Time-Warner Hypocrisy
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:51:24 -0700
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > The link is now gone, but it does point to the total
> > hipocracy of the
> > > $-brubbers. Another interesting point to consider is the
> > amicus briefs
> > > filed supporting (?) Napster's position right below the CNN story.
> > >
> > > (both are posted on slashdot)
> > >
> > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> > > > This was just posted on slashdot.. I love the irony...
> > apparently CNN
> > > > (owned by Time-Warner) linked to a list of DeCSS mirrors:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backIssues/2000/08/25#anothe
> > rProblemForT
> > > imewarner
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Mike Cantrell
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________________________
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> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > Always practice safe HEX
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 8
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:11:19 -0700 (MST)
> > > From: "der.hans" <PLUGd@LuftHans.com>
> > > To: plug1 <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Subject: Re: python: string.replace(..) won't work
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > Am 25. Aug, 2000 schwäzte Lucas Vogel so:
> > >
> > > > Could someone take a look at this and tell me what's wrong at
> > > > string.replace()?
> > >
> > > Lucas,
> > >
> > > you should drop these questions on the devel list :). Can't
> > help you with
> > > python, though :(. Maybe we should see if Jiva is Kiboizing
> > as well as JLF
> > > :).
> > >
> > > I'll leave the junk at the bottom for once, just in case he is...
> > >
> > > ciao,
> > >
> > > der.hans
> > >
> > > > #Begin code---------------------
> > > >
> > > > import string, os, sys, re
> > > >
> > > > fName = sys.argv[1]
> > > > s1 = sys.argv[2]
> > > > s2 = sys.argv[3]
> > > >
> > > > f=open(fName,'rw')
> > > >
> > > > s=f.read()
> > > >
> > > > print "string.replace(" + `s` + ", " + `s1` + ", " + `s2` + ")"
> > > > string.replace(s,s1,s2)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > print "s is now: " + `s` + "\n"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > #end code-----------------------
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------
> > > > Lucas Vogel, Software Developer
> > > > LandWarrior Project
> > > > Exponent Inc.
> > > > lvogel@exponent.com
> > > > phone: (623)587-6739
> > > > fax: (623)587-4187
> > > > ------------www.exponent.com---------------
> > > >
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> > >
> > > --
> > > # der.hans@LuftHans.com home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com
> > > # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans
> > >
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 9
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:16:26 -0700 (MST)
> > > From: "der.hans" <PLUGd@LuftHans.com>
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > Am 25. Aug, 2000 schwäzte sinck@ugive.com so:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > \_ For now I'm using perl on the file after it was
> > created. Already had
> > > to do
> > > > \_ that for something else, so it's not a great sin, just
> > something else
> > > to
> > > > \_ try to move back to shell later on :).
> > > >
> > > > You make it sound so hard:
> > > >
> > > > lartmebofh% perl foo.pl
> > > > <...>
> > > > lartmebofh% cat > foo.sh
> > > > #!/bin/sh
> > > >
> > > > perl foo.pl
> > > > ^D
> > > > lartmebofh% chmod +x foo.sh
> > > > lartmebofh% foo.sh
> > > > <...>
> > > > lartmebofh%
> > > >
> > > > simple as pie.
> > >
> > > Not for the newbie trying to understand what's going on,
> > which is the
> > > point of the exercise :).
> > >
> > > ciao,
> > >
> > > der.hans
> > > --
> > > # der.hans@LuftHans.com home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com
> > > # Knowledge is useless unless it's shared. - der.hans
> > >
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 10
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:30:31 -0700 (MST)
> > > From: "der.hans" <PLUGd@LuftHans.com>
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > Am 25. Aug, 2000 schwäzte Kevin Buettner so:
> > >
> > > > I used to do a lot of shell programming. I don't
> > anymore. If I find
> > > > myself writing a shell script that ends up being longer
> > than six lines
> > > > (or so), I switch to Perl.
> > >
> > > I'm moving that direction. I'll admit, however, that I make a lot of
> > > system calls in my nukeandpuke perl scripts :).
> > >
> > > > I'm puzzled by this statement. In the script I sent, you ended up
> > > > with the names of all of the files in a single (array) variable so
> > > > they could be sorted later on. The actual contents of
> > the files were
> > > > never actually read. Surely you don't mean that your
> > filename data is
> > > > 60+MB, do you?
> > >
> > > Yup. I'm not talking about the contents of the files, but I
> > like David's
> > > compression mechanism. I'll have to ask him more about it
> > ;-). I'm doing a
> > > listing of everything on the system, which then goes for
> > backups. Most
> > > people (and myself most of the time) won't have this much,
> > but right now I
> > > do :). Ever seen a shell using 150MB of memory? :) It's a
> > great way to
> > > kill init...
> > >
> > > The only reason I mentioned it was file listings instead of
> > just being
> > > random, but in the same order, strings is that I'm
> > interested in getting
> > > find and tar to list the files the same way.
> > >
> > > Oh, and yes, I know this ain't the best way to do this
> > computer-wise, but
> > > I'm trying to get something simple that beginners can sink
> > they're teeth
> > > into.
> > >
> > > > Regardless, you really do need to do the sort, because
> > you can't rely
> > > > on find (or Perl's File::Find) to list the files in any particular
> > > > order. If you want to diff two lists of files to see what's been
> > >
> > > Actually, I do fine. Things get written in the original
> > order, then read
> > > back in the order they were written, so I'm fine.
> > >
> > > > added or deleted, you'll need to do some ordering on the
> > list. You
> > >
> > > The goal is for the lists to be the same. Once I have the
> > failover working
> > > I'll see if a checksum works right when they do match, but
> > the failover
> > > has to work and I have to get everything written in the same format.
> > >
> > > > don't need to sort in perl though. You could just use
> > the sort program,
> > > > but AFAIK, the data will still end up in memory.
> > >
> > > Yup.
> > >
> > > BTW, this went to discuss instead of devel because I
> > thought it more of a
> > > "how to config tar and find to work the same" rather than a devel
> > > question. Guess I was wrong :).
> > >
> > > ciao,
> > >
> > > der.hans
> > > --
> > > # der.hans@LuftHans.com home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com
> > > # The only way for a woman to change a man
> > > # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans
> > >
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 11
> > > From: "Dennis Sacks" <dennis@illusions.com>
> > > To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Subject: JLF = Kibo ?
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:28:21 -0700
> > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hehe...gotta be careful where you say you're kiboizing. :-)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sadly, how many people on the Internet these days even know
> > who Kibo is?
> > >
> > > Dennis Sacks
> > > dennis@illusions.com
> > > Managed Services Geek, OpNIX, Inc. www.opnix.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 12
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:28:19 -0700
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > From: Alan Dayley <alandd@consultpros.com>
> > > Subject: Re: JLF = Kibo ?
> > > <KGEPKALNKFKLFJEAEKKAOELOCCAA.craigwhite@azapple.com>
> > > <14758.35676.914433.130415@owmyeye.ugive.com>
> > > <20000825090152.03102@magusnet.com>
> > > <14758.40314.285877.475803@owmyeye.ugive.com>
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > I admit to being on the internet for at least 7 years and still not
> > > knowing
> > > who Kibo is. Enlighten me please.
> > >
> > > Alan, Computer Knowledgeable Linux Newbie
> > >
> > > At 09:28 AM 8/25/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Hehe...gotta be careful where you say you're kiboizing. :-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >Sadly, how many people on the Internet these days even
> > know who Kibo is?
> > > >
> > > >Dennis Sacks
> > > >dennis@illusions.com
> > > >Managed Services Geek, OpNIX, Inc. www.opnix.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >________________________________________________
> > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your
> > mail doesn't
> > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > > >
> > > >Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > >http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> > >
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 13
> > > From: "Michael Sheldon" <msheldon@desertraven.com>
> > > To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Subject: RE: JLF = Kibo ?
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:11:09 -0700
> > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > Kibo was the god of grep.
> > >
> > > He had a routine that would search the newsgroups, *ALL* of the
> > > newsgroups,
> > > for any mention of his name, to which you would get a reply.
> > >
> > > I got my first shell account about 8-9 years ago, and he
> > was net.legend
> > > then.
> > >
> > > Michael J. Sheldon
> > > http://www.desertraven.com/
> > > Make a fast friend, adopt a greyhound!
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > [mailto:plug-discuss-admin@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us]On
> > Behalf Of Alan
> > > Dayley
> > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 22:28
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: JLF = Kibo ?
> > >
> > >
> > > I admit to being on the internet for at least 7 years and still not
> > > knowing
> > > who Kibo is. Enlighten me please.
> > >
> > > Alan, Computer Knowledgeable Linux Newbie
> > >
> > > At 09:28 AM 8/25/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Hehe...gotta be careful where you say you're kiboizing. :-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >Sadly, how many people on the Internet these days even
> > know who Kibo is?
> > > >
> > > >Dennis Sacks
> > > >dennis@illusions.com
> > > >Managed Services Geek, OpNIX, Inc. www.opnix.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >________________________________________________
> > > >See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your
> > mail doesn't
> > > >post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > mail doesn't
> > > post
> > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
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> > >
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 14
> > > From: Lucas Vogel <lvogel@exponent.com>
> > > To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'"
> > > <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Subject: RE: diffing special chars
> > > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:06:14 -0700
> > > charset="iso-8859-15"
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > I bet there is a python function somewhere waiting for you
> > to stumble on
> > > it!
> > > :) I spend about a half a day today trying to figure out
> > how to use python
> > > for a really dinky little script, but I really came away
> > very impressed
> > > with
> > > the sheer power of the language. I am a fan, and I will
> > double my efforts
> > > to
> > > use it wherever possible in my Win32 environment at work,
> > and definitely
> > > at
> > > home in my 100% Linux environment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: der.hans [mailto:PLUGd@lufthans.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:31 PM
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 25. Aug, 2000 schwäzte Kevin Buettner so:
> > >
> > > > I used to do a lot of shell programming. I don't
> > anymore. If I find
> > > > myself writing a shell script that ends up being longer
> > than six lines
> > > > (or so), I switch to Perl.
> > >
> > > I'm moving that direction. I'll admit, however, that I make a lot of
> > > system calls in my nukeandpuke perl scripts :).
> > >
> > > > I'm puzzled by this statement. In the script I sent, you ended up
> > > > with the names of all of the files in a single (array) variable so
> > > > they could be sorted later on. The actual contents of
> > the files were
> > > > never actually read. Surely you don't mean that your
> > filename data is
> > > > 60+MB, do you?
> > >
> > > Yup. I'm not talking about the contents of the files, but I
> > like David's
> > > compression mechanism. I'll have to ask him more about it
> > ;-). I'm doing a
> > > listing of everything on the system, which then goes for
> > backups. Most
> > > people (and myself most of the time) won't have this much,
> > but right now I
> > > do :). Ever seen a shell using 150MB of memory? :) It's a
> > great way to
> > > kill init...
> > >
> > > The only reason I mentioned it was file listings instead of
> > just being
> > > random, but in the same order, strings is that I'm
> > interested in getting
> > > find and tar to list the files the same way.
> > >
> > > Oh, and yes, I know this ain't the best way to do this
> > computer-wise, but
> > > I'm trying to get something simple that beginners can sink
> > they're teeth
> > > into.
> > >
> > > > Regardless, you really do need to do the sort, because
> > you can't rely
> > > > on find (or Perl's File::Find) to list the files in any particular
> > > > order. If you want to diff two lists of files to see what's been
> > >
> > > Actually, I do fine. Things get written in the original
> > order, then read
> > > back in the order they were written, so I'm fine.
> > >
> > > > added or deleted, you'll need to do some ordering on the
> > list. You
> > >
> > > The goal is for the lists to be the same. Once I have the
> > failover working
> > > I'll see if a checksum works right when they do match, but
> > the failover
> > > has to work and I have to get everything written in the same format.
> > >
> > > > don't need to sort in perl though. You could just use
> > the sort program,
> > > > but AFAIK, the data will still end up in memory.
> > >
> > > Yup.
> > >
> > > BTW, this went to discuss instead of devel because I
> > thought it more of a
> > > "how to config tar and find to work the same" rather than a devel
> > > question. Guess I was wrong :).
> > >
> > > ciao,
> > >
> > > der.hans
> > > --
> > > # der.hans@LuftHans.com home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.Opnix.com
> > > # The only way for a woman to change a man
> > > # is if he's wearing Depends[TM] - der.hans
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your
> > mail doesn't
> > > post
> > > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > >
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> > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 15
> > > From: Lucas Vogel <lvogel@exponent.com>
> > > To: "PLUG (E-mail)" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Subject: The Linux Drivers Petition
> > > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:27:58 -0700
> > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > Has everyone signed this yet?
> > >
> > > http://www.libralinux.com/petition.english.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------
> > > Lucas Vogel, Software Developer
> > > Exponent Failure Analysis Associates, Inc.
> > > lvogel@exponent.com
> > > (623)587-6739
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 16
> > > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 05:10:16 -0700
> > > From: Hawke <proudhawk19021@home.com>
> > > To: plug-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Subject: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > Guys,
> > > I've been putting this thing off long enough.
> > >
> > > I now need some help.
> > >
> > > I'd like to start a business that involves the use of computers
> > > in a small location that serves the public (A cybercafe').
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any additional input here 9especially from
> > > those who are either owners or major contributing partners
> > > in their respective organizations).
> > >
> > > I am also in need of funding sources (if you guys know of any
> > > where grants may be issued, etc, please let me know)
> > >
> > > I am looking at 2 alternatives so far as the hardware is concerned:
> > > 1. 25 workstations (diskless)
> > > specifications (workstations):
> > > memory: 256 megabytes
> > > video; 8 megabytes or more
> > > embedded linux os for loading Xwindows (or windows
> > if need be)
> > > on an ethernet backbone to a main server (100baseT).
> > > Large monitors (17 inch or greater)
> > > CPU: athelon 550 Mhz or higher
> > > (on some machines I will include "special access technology"
> > > for the visually impaired)
> > >
> > > Alternative 2:
> > > 25 workstations (permanently mounted laptops)
> > > built in HDD's (restricted access)
> > > 100BaseT ethernet with embedded linux OS
> > > CPU: Athelon 550 Mhz or higher
> > >
> > > Server:
> > > CPU:Athelon 700 Mhz or greater
> > > Memory: 512 megabytes or greater
> > > HDD: Multiple 30 gigbye drives/RAID/SCSI
> > > Standard vid adaptor (this is also the admin station)
> > > OS: linux/BSD/SCO Unix/SUN Solaris/winNT
> > > (any of these, but prefer *nix)
> > > 2 Ethernet adaptors (100BaseT or fiber interface)
> > >
> > > other equipment: 50 way switch (100BaseT)
> > > Routing panel
> > > card reader
> > >
> > > It has been suggested to me that I issue cards of prepaid time
> > > (such as 30 minute, 60 minute, up to 1000 minutes) for
> > various prices.
> > > The cost is computed on a per-minute basis and the larger cards
> > > would reflect a discount).
> > >
> > > As always, location is important. since there are already 3 such
> > > places around ASU, I plan to look elsewhere (such as central
> > > Phoenix, downtown Phoenix, Downtown glendale and north glendale)
> > >
> > > I am looking at possible bidquotes for both alternatives
> > listed above
> > > from local providers 9such as technology partners, pc-club,
> > and others).
> > >
> > > I am also looking at who would offer the best backbone service
> > > (or should I go with more than one with an in-house peering
> > > arrangement?), such as Cox, AT&T, QWEST, Sprint, MCI.
> > >
> > > Let me know if I need to add anything to this.
> > > I am trying to get this idea going as quickly as possible.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 17
> > > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:40:19 -0700
> > > From: "J.L.Francois" <frenchie@magusnet.gilbert.az.us>
> > > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > Subject: Re: JLF = Kibo ?
> > > Reply-To: jlf@magusnet.gilbert.az.us
> > > Organization: MagusNet, Inc. Design * Develop * Integrate
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > It seems like on Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 10:28:19PM -0700, Alan Dayley
> > > scribbled:
> > > Orig Msg> I admit to being on the internet for at least 7
> > years and still
> > > not knowing
> > > Orig Msg> who Kibo is. Enlighten me please.
> > > Orig Msg>
> > > Orig Msg> Alan, Computer Knowledgeable Linux Newbie
> > >
> > > Back during the time of The Great Renaming I was still
> > using Fido Gateways
> > > and got
> > > an account on Delphi for text based Internet Access.
> > >
> > > Kibo - Net Legend
> > > Before the Great Renaming of Usenet and the arrival
> > of the unwashed
> > > masses
> > > to the Internet, Kibo would grep the news spool and
> > generate an
> > > autoresponse
> > > to any post that mentioned him.
> > > if you look at the options for (X)Emacs there is a feature
> > > to still Kiboize newsgroups even though it really isn't
> > > feasible to do this anymore.
> > >
> > > For those of you into the history of the Internet take a
> > look at these:
> > > http://www.galactic-guide.com/articles/6U1.html
> > > http://www.kibo.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Sniff....those were the days...sniff...
> > >
> > > JLF Sends...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --__--__--
> > >
> > > Message: 18
> > > From: "Dennis Sacks" <dennis@illusions.com>
> > > To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > > Subject: Re: New business startup help/suggestions/info needed
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:59:26 -0700
> > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > >
> > > One concern about cyber cafes - have any of them been
> > successful anywhere?
> > > I've never been in one that has had many customers. I like
> > the idea of a
> > > cyber cafe in theory, but I'm not sure how it can be built
> > into a good
> > > business model.
> > >
> > > > It has been suggested to me that I issue cards of prepaid time
> > > > (such as 30 minute, 60 minute, up to 1000 minutes) for
> > various prices.
> > > > The cost is computed on a per-minute basis and the larger cards
> > > > would reflect a discount).
> > >
> > > Prepaid cards are good business. You have the customer's
> > money (and can
> > > earn interest on it) and the customer has nothing but a
> > piece of plastic
> > > that they one day *may* use.
> > >
> > > > I am also looking at who would offer the best backbone service
> > > > (or should I go with more than one with an in-house peering
> > > > arrangement?), such as Cox, AT&T, QWEST, Sprint, MCI.
> > >
> > > The best backbone service will be offered by some company called
> > > OpNIX......maybe you've heard of us?
> > >
> > > Dennis Sacks
> > > dennis@illusions.com
> > > Managed Services Geek, OpNIX, Inc. www.opnix.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --__--__--
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