dialpad on linux
Tilby, Lynn # PHX
LTilby@simatics.com
Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:21:37 -0700
It should be pretty easy to write a dialing program using Hayes commands and
a Hayes compatible modem. In fact I wrote one of these in basic on a Zenith
Z-100 (it was actually an autodialer) when I worked in civil service about
17 years ago...
Lynn P. Tilby
ltilby@simatics.com
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> 1. diffing special chars (sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com)
> 2. Re: diffing special chars (Michael Dearman)
> 3. RE: Oops (William Lindley)
> 4. RE: Oops (Jim)
> 5. RE: dialpad on linux (Lucas Vogel)
> 6. GUI Mail Clients (was Re: Oops) (Rod Roark)
> 7. RE: Oops (sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com)
> 8. cheops (sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com)
> 9. Re: diffing special chars (Kevin Buettner)
> 10. Re: dialpad on linux (Michael F. March)
> 11. Re: diffing special chars (sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com)
> 12. RE: Oops (Mike Cantrell)
> 13. Re: dialpad on linux (Shawn T. Rutledge)
> 14. RE: dialpad on linux (Lucas Vogel)
> 15. editors (Joel Dudley)
> 16. Re: editors (ericb@cybertrails.com)
> 17. Re: editors (Joel Dudley)
> 18. RE: editors (Lucas Vogel)
> 19. Re: editors (ericb@cybertrails.com)
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> Message: 1
> From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:52:07 -0700 (MST)
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: diffing special chars
> Reply-To: sinck@ugive.com
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
>
>
> \_ moin, moin,
> \_
> \_ doing a couple of filesystems lists and then diffing them to make sure
> \_ they contain the same files. I'm running into a prob with files that
> have
> \_ either special chars or spaces embedded in the name/path.
> \_
> \_ find wants to turn special chars into gobbly-gook, whereas tar renders
> the
> \_ escapes sequences. Use ls -b to turn the special chars into escape
> \_ sequences it also adds escapes for spaces, which tar doesn't do.
> \_
> \_ Either of these probs trips up diff when verifying that the file lists
> are
> \_ the same.
> \_
> \_ Anyone know a solution that doesn't require brute forcing with tools
> like
> \_ perl or sed/awk?
>
> Yeah. Wetware will do it just fine, particularly if assisted by a
> printer and a secretary. :-)
>
> Or try ediff-compare-buffers in emacs. Pretty light show; it'll at
> least page through the differences coherently for you.
>
> David
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:02:36 -0700
> From: Michael Dearman <mdearman@inficad.com>
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
> "der.hans" wrote:
> >
> > moin, moin,
> >
> > doing a couple of filesystems lists and then diffing them to make sure
> > they contain the same files. I'm running into a prob with files that
> have
> > either special chars or spaces embedded in the name/path.
> >
> > find wants to turn special chars into gobbly-gook, whereas tar renders
> the
> > escapes sequences. Use ls -b to turn the special chars into escape
> > sequences it also adds escapes for spaces, which tar doesn't do.
> >
> > Either of these probs trips up diff when verifying that the file lists
> are
> > the same.
> >
> > Anyone know a solution that doesn't require brute forcing with tools
> like
> > perl or sed/awk?
> >
>
> Also, don't quite understand how your assembling your lists of files, but
> having trouble with 'name/path'. But...
>
> If your working with lists of files, and able to sort them, check out
> 'comm'.
> If not able to sort, article 2.14 in 'Unix Power Tools' has a trick with
> grep
> and diff.
>
> There's also a 'dircmp', but it's not on my Linux. Unix P. Tools says it's
> a SysV
> thing.
>
> Mike D.
>
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>
> Message: 3
> From: William Lindley <wlindley@wlindley.com>
> Reply-To: "wlindley@wlindley.com" <wlindley@wlindley.com>
> To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'"
> <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Subject: RE: Oops
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:02:28 -0700
> Organization: LS Software
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
> J.L.Francois wrote:
> > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line.
>
> Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain hard newlines?
> Why are long lines a problem for modern e-mail systems or viewers? Text
> wrapping is not that difficult an algorithm... or is anybody out there
> still reading messages on a dumb terminal?
>
> \\/
> http://www.wlindley.com
>
>
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>
> Message: 4
> From: Jim <farli@wiredglobal.com>
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: RE: Oops
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:14:52 -0700
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
> The problem is not hard newlines. The problem is between the chair and
> the computer. Most email programs will allow you to set the line length
> of your messages.
>
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> > J.L.Francois wrote:
> > > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line.
> >
> > Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain hard newlines?
>
> > Why are long lines a problem for modern e-mail systems or viewers?
> Text
> > wrapping is not that difficult an algorithm... or is anybody out there
> > still reading messages on a dumb terminal?
> >
> > \\/
> > http://www.wlindley.com
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________
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>
> Jim
>
> Always practice safe HEX
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> Message: 5
> From: Lucas Vogel <lvogel@exponent.com>
> To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'"
> <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> Subject: RE: dialpad on linux
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:21:16 -0700
> charset="windows-1252"
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
> Let me know if you can figure it out; not only could I not figure out how
> to
> get Dialpad to work, but I didn't understand what this guy was trying to
> say
> either.
>
> Lucas Vogel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J.L.Francois [mailto:frenchie@magusnet.gilbert.az.us]
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:15 AM
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: dialpad on linux
>
>
> It seems like on Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 03:05:32AM -0700, Hawke scribbled:
> Orig Msg> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Orig Msg>
> Orig Msg> recently, someone posted instrictions (or the URL) for
> Orig Msg> information on how to install dialpad under netscape
> Orig Msg> on linux boxes.
> Orig Msg>
> Orig Msg> could you please repost that info?
> Orig Msg>
> Orig Msg>
> Orig Msg> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
> That would be me.
>
> Instructions for dialpad in Linux
> http://my.ispchannel.com/~rottona/linux_dialpad.html
>
> Jean Francois - JLF Sends...
> President & CEO - MagusNet, Inc., MagusNet.com, MagusNet.Gilbert.AZ.US
> Director Of Managed Services - OpNIX,Inc., www.opnix.com
> OpNIX - Simply Better Bandwidth
>
>
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> Message: 6
> From: Rod Roark <rod@sunsetsystems.com>
> Organization: Sunset Systems
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: GUI Mail Clients (was Re: Oops)
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:07:42 -0700
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote:
> > J.L.Francois wrote:
> > > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line.
> >
> > Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain hard newlines?
>
> > Why are long lines a problem for modern e-mail systems or viewers?
> Text
> > wrapping is not that difficult an algorithm... or is anybody out there
> > still reading messages on a dumb terminal?
>
> For some reason KDE's kmail, which otherwise is pretty good, cannot
> word-wrap incoming mail. I use it because it can filter messages into
> designated folders based on the headers, and also supports multiple POP
> accounts.
>
> I'd appreciate suggestions for a better Linux-compatible GUI mail
> client that can do this. LDAP support would be nice too.
>
> -- Rod
> http://www.sunsetsystems.com/
>
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>
> Message: 7
> From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:36:20 -0700 (MST)
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: RE: Oops
> Reply-To: sinck@ugive.com
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
>
>
> \_ J.L.Francois wrote:
> \_ > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line.
> \_
> \_ Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain hard
> newlines?
>
> Three letters: lpr
>
> David
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:35:30 -0700
> To: PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: cheops
> Reply-to: sinck@ugive.com
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
>
> Re: JLF's nod to cheops. It does rock.
>
> David
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:42:38 -0700
> From: Kevin Buettner <kev@primenet.com>
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
> On Aug 23, 11:12pm, der.hans wrote:
>
> > Anyone know a solution that doesn't require brute forcing with tools
> like
> > perl or sed/awk?
>
> Why don't you want to use perl? It's a perfectly acceptable tool for
> this job. Below is a little script which'll list out verbatim the
> names of the files regardless of the embedded control characters,
> spaces, etc. Use it to create your file lists and then use diff on
> them as before.
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
>
> use File::Find;
>
> my ($root) = @ARGV;
>
> die "Usage: $0 root\n" unless defined ($root);
>
> my @names = ();
>
> find(sub { push @names, $File::Find::name; }, $root);
>
> print join "\n", sort @names;
> print "\n";
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: "Michael F. March" <march@indirect.com>
> To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> Subject: Re: dialpad on linux
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:35:23 -0700
> charset="Windows-1252"
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
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> There is no way to use dialpad under Linux, yet. It is a
> Java applet that uses some WIN32 specific code for some
> of the multimedia portions of the app.
>
> The web page below is instructions on how to use dialpad
> on a Win32 computer through a IPMASQ linux router. If you
> try to use dialpad with the standard IPMASQ setup it
> fails.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lucas Vogel" <lvogel@exponent.com>
> To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:21 AM
> Subject: RE: dialpad on linux
>
>
> > Let me know if you can figure it out; not only could I not figure out
> how to
> > get Dialpad to work, but I didn't understand what this guy was trying to
> say
> > either.
> >
> > Lucas Vogel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: J.L.Francois [mailto:frenchie@magusnet.gilbert.az.us]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:15 AM
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: dialpad on linux
> >
> >
> > It seems like on Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 03:05:32AM -0700, Hawke scribbled:
> > Orig Msg> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> recently, someone posted instrictions (or the URL) for
> > Orig Msg> information on how to install dialpad under netscape
> > Orig Msg> on linux boxes.
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> could you please repost that info?
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg>
> > Orig Msg> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> >
> > That would be me.
> >
> > Instructions for dialpad in Linux
> > http://my.ispchannel.com/~rottona/linux_dialpad.html
> >
> > Jean Francois - JLF Sends...
> > President & CEO - MagusNet, Inc., MagusNet.com, MagusNet.Gilbert.AZ.US
> > Director Of Managed Services - OpNIX,Inc., www.opnix.com
> > OpNIX - Simply Better Bandwidth
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't
> post
> > to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> >
> > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't
> post to the
> list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> >
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>
>
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> Message: 11
> From: sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:20:34 -0700 (MST)
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: diffing special chars
> <1000824164238.ZM7134@saguaro.lan>
> Reply-To: sinck@ugive.com
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
>
>
> \_ On Aug 23, 11:12pm, der.hans wrote:
> \_
> \_ > Anyone know a solution that doesn't require brute forcing with tools
> like
> \_ > perl or sed/awk?
> \_
> \_ Why don't you want to use perl? It's a perfectly acceptable tool for
> \_ this job. Below is a little script which'll list out verbatim the
> \_ names of the files regardless of the embedded control characters,
> \_ spaces, etc. Use it to create your file lists and then use diff on
> \_ them as before.
> \_
> \_ #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> \_
> \_ use File::Find;
> \_
> \_ my ($root) = @ARGV;
> \_
> \_ die "Usage: $0 root\n" unless defined ($root);
> \_
> \_ my @names = ();
> \_
> \_ find(sub { push @names, $File::Find::name; }, $root);
> \_
> \_ print join "\n", sort @names;
> \_ print "\n";
> \_
>
> Sooo many lines....
>
> perl -MFile::Find -e \
> 'find sub {print $File::Find::name, "\n";}, shift || "."' \
> your-optional-dir-here
>
> On the downside, this version doesn't sort. :-)
>
> David
>
>
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:46:14 -0700 (MST)
> From: Mike Cantrell <yomahz@devnull.org>
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: RE: Oops
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
>
> Heh, I was expecting that guy with the p-166 and Outlook to respond about
> it making his mail client too slow :)
>
> Regards,
> Mike Cantrell
>
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 sinck@owmyeye.ugive.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > \_ J.L.Francois wrote:
> > \_ > Your line breaks are greater than 75 characters per line.
> > \_
> > \_ Why, in this day and age, should messages have to contain hard
> newlines?
> >
> > Three letters: lpr
> >
> > David
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't
> post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> >
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> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> >
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:01:06 -0700
> From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" <rutledge@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com>
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: dialpad on linux
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 09:35:23AM -0700, Michael F. March wrote:
> > There is no way to use dialpad under Linux, yet. It is a
> > Java applet that uses some WIN32 specific code for some
> > of the multimedia portions of the app.
> >
> > The web page below is instructions on how to use dialpad
> > on a Win32 computer through a IPMASQ linux router. If you
> > try to use dialpad with the standard IPMASQ setup it
> > fails.
>
> Bummer.
>
> Do we know of any PC-to-phone telephony thingies that do work
> on Linux? I went looking for one a week or so ago and came up
> empty.
>
> --
> _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com
> (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org
> __) | | \________________________________________________________________
> Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903
>
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>
> Message: 14
> From: Lucas Vogel <lvogel@exponent.com>
> To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'"
> <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> Subject: RE: dialpad on linux
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:24:13 -0700
> charset="windows-1252"
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
> http://www.linuxjack.com
>
> This company sells a kind of sound card for your phone. The problem is, I
> can't seem to find any sw to use it with. The card looks intriguing,
> though,
> once I do find the sw...
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shawn T. Rutledge [mailto:rutledge@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:01 AM
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: dialpad on linux
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 09:35:23AM -0700, Michael F. March wrote:
> > > There is no way to use dialpad under Linux, yet. It is a
> > > Java applet that uses some WIN32 specific code for some
> > > of the multimedia portions of the app.
> > >
> > > The web page below is instructions on how to use dialpad
> > > on a Win32 computer through a IPMASQ linux router. If you
> > > try to use dialpad with the standard IPMASQ setup it
> > > fails.
> >
> > Bummer.
> >
> > Do we know of any PC-to-phone telephony thingies that do work
> > on Linux? I went looking for one a week or so ago and came up
> > empty.
> >
> > --
> > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD
> > ecloud@bigfoot.com
> > (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud
> > kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org
> > __) | |
> > \________________________________________________________________
> > Get money for spare CPU cycles at
> > http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903
> >
> > ________________________________________________
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> > write mail.
> >
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> Message: 15
> From: joel@silverw.com (Joel Dudley)
> To: <Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> Subject: editors
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:24:33 -0700
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> Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching myself =
> programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor, Pico, to create =
> my source code. Now Pico works great, but I was wondering if any of the =
> code gnomes out there knew of any text editors that facilitated coding =
> (I am doing java right now) better. I am not interested in any IDE's at =
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> - Joel=20
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> he is
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> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am =
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> the code=20
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> doing java right now) better. I am not interested in any IDE's at =
> the=20
> moment because I want my learning experience to be very raw, if =
> that makes=20
> any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my message. =
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> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>- Joel</FONT> </DIV>
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> is<BR>about=20
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:33:15 -0700
> From: ericb@cybertrails.com
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: editors
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
> Talk about a question to start a war :) ...
>
> use vi! :)
>
> hehe... it's great, once you get used to it :)
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:24:33AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote:
> > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching myself
> programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor, Pico, to create my
> source code. Now Pico works great, but I was wondering if any of the code
> gnomes out there knew of any text editors that facilitated coding (I am
> doing java right now) better. I am not interested in any IDE's at the
> moment because I want my learning experience to be very raw, if that makes
> any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my message.
> >
> > - Joel
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason,
> the
> > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance;
> he is
> > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final
> rock,
> > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
> > centuries."
> >
> > - Dr. Robert Jastrow
> > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies
> >
> >
>
> --
> Eric Barendt
> RHCE #806200039001688
> System Administrator
> Cyber Trails
>
> .~.
> /V\
> // \\
> /( )\
> ^`~'^
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> From: joel@silverw.com (Joel Dudley)
> To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> Subject: Re: editors
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:32:40 -0700
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
> Yes, I guess I should have weighted the volitility of my question :-). I
> will tell everyone right now that I have tried to use vi and I don't like
> it
> (please don't burn down my house). I was thinking about editors that did
> text highlighting and the like for program code without having to use an
> IDE. remember I am a programming newbie so be lienient if my terms or
> questions seem incorrect. Thank you.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ericb@cybertrails.com>
> To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: editors
>
>
> > Talk about a question to start a war :) ...
> >
> > use vi! :)
> >
> > hehe... it's great, once you get used to it :)
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:24:33AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote:
> > > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching myself
> programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor, Pico, to create my
> source code. Now Pico works great, but I was wondering if any of the code
> gnomes out there knew of any text editors that facilitated coding (I am
> doing java right now) better. I am not interested in any IDE's at the
> moment because I want my learning experience to be very raw, if that makes
> any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my message.
> > >
> > > - Joel
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason,
> the
> > > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance;
> he is
> > > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final
> rock,
> > > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
> > > centuries."
> > >
> > > - Dr. Robert Jastrow
> > > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Eric Barendt
> > RHCE #806200039001688
> > System Administrator
> > Cyber Trails
> >
> > .~.
> > /V\
> > // \\
> > /( )\
> > ^`~'^
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't
> post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> >
> > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
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>
> Message: 18
> From: Lucas Vogel <lvogel@exponent.com>
> To: "'plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us'"
> <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> Subject: RE: editors
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:37:07 -0700
> charset="windows-1252"
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
> on win32, I absolutely love using TextPad:
> www.textpad.com
>
> For Linux, I've been wanting to evaluate a product called Moonshine:
> http://www.suite3220.com/moonshine/index.html
>
> I haven't installed it yet, but it looks to be like KDevelop with a few
> more
> features...
>
> HTH
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ericb@cybertrails.com [mailto:ericb@cybertrails.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:33 AM
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Re: editors
> >
> >
> > Talk about a question to start a war :) ...
> >
> > use vi! :)
> >
> > hehe... it's great, once you get used to it :)
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:24:33AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote:
> > > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching
> > myself programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor,
> > Pico, to create my source code. Now Pico works great, but I
> > was wondering if any of the code gnomes out there knew of any
> > text editors that facilitated coding (I am doing java right
> > now) better. I am not interested in any IDE's at the moment
> > because I want my learning experience to be very raw, if that
> > makes any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my message.
> > >
> > > - Joel
> > >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > --------------
> > > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power
> > of reason, the
> > > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of
> > ignorance; he is
> > > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over
> > the final rock,
> > > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been
> > sitting there for
> > > centuries."
> > >
> > > - Dr. Robert Jastrow
> > > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Eric Barendt
> > RHCE #806200039001688
> > System Administrator
> > Cyber Trails
> >
> > .~.
> > /V\
> > // \\
> > /( )\
> > ^`~'^
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your
> > mail doesn't post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to
> > write mail.
> >
> > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> >
>
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>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:40:05 -0700
> From: ericb@cybertrails.com
> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: editors
> Reply-To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>
> Actually, if you look around for .vimrc files, they do that... I'm not
> really sure where to get them though :). I'm sure you could write one,
> but it'd be much easier to download one. If you have one, it will do
> syntax highlighting for whatever language you're using, makes things much
> easier to read :)
>
> Later...
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:32:40AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote:
> > Yes, I guess I should have weighted the volitility of my question :-).
> I
> > will tell everyone right now that I have tried to use vi and I don't
> like it
> > (please don't burn down my house). I was thinking about editors that
> did
> > text highlighting and the like for program code without having to use an
> > IDE. remember I am a programming newbie so be lienient if my terms or
> > questions seem incorrect. Thank you.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <ericb@cybertrails.com>
> > To: <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: editors
> >
> >
> > > Talk about a question to start a war :) ...
> > >
> > > use vi! :)
> > >
> > > hehe... it's great, once you get used to it :)
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 11:24:33AM -0700, Joel Dudley wrote:
> > > > Like I had previously stated to the PLUG, I am teaching myself
> > programming. Currently I am using my favorite editor, Pico, to create
> my
> > source code. Now Pico works great, but I was wondering if any of the
> code
> > gnomes out there knew of any text editors that facilitated coding (I am
> > doing java right now) better. I am not interested in any IDE's at the
> > moment because I want my learning experience to be very raw, if that
> makes
> > any sense. Thank you for taking the time to read my message.
> > > >
> > > > - Joel
> > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > > "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of
> reason,
> > the
> > > > story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of
> ignorance;
> > he is
> > > > about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the
> final
> > rock,
> > > > he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there
> for
> > > > centuries."
> > > >
> > > > - Dr. Robert Jastrow
> > > > Founder of NASA"s Goddard Institute for space studies
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eric Barendt
> > > RHCE #806200039001688
> > > System Administrator
> > > Cyber Trails
> > >
> > > .~.
> > > /V\
> > > // \\
> > > /( )\
> > > ^`~'^
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________
> > > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail
> doesn't
> > post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> > >
> > > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________
> > See http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/navigator-mail.shtml if your mail doesn't
> post to the list quickly and you use Netscape to write mail.
> >
> > Plug-discuss mailing list - Plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
> --
> Eric Barendt
> RHCE #806200039001688
> System Administrator
> Cyber Trails
>
>
>
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