[PLUG-Devel] Hi all

[Joshua Zeidner]

Hi Josh + Tim,

  Again, I'm not calling Tim a sell-out.

  Just want to make it clear to everyone that he is a kind of
salesman.  I do think its important for everyone to understand whats
driving this particular discussion.  Again, I've run into this one
before on AZIPA, with a guy who was employed by Verizon to argue
against municipal networks.  The result of being critical was an
extremely long and protracted discussion about the economics of WANs
and municipal financing, etc.  Most people on the list didn't
particularily appreciate it, but if you put two people in a pit and
one is being financed and the other is doing it purely on a personal
interest basis, guess who is going to win?  Even if I do manage to out
argue or outwit, in the end I lose a few hours/days of work.
Microsoft et al. knows this.  Getting into a tangle with a MSFT
marketroid is not exactly my idea of a good time.  MSFT spamming this
list is also not my idea of ethical behavior.

  I know you have a background in MS technology and Im not going to
knock you or anyone else for it.  The fact is though, that MSFT has
repeatedly violated consumer trust in the past(especially that of
developers), and has openly declared war on Linux and OSS.  I guess
this points to greater more challenging problems of corporate
responsibility, but I'll leave that one to Mike Moore.  What is
certainly problematic, however is MSFT trying to play wolf in sheep
clothing... and I'll leave it at that.

  thanks Josh.

  -jmz


On 9/10/07, Josh Coffman <joshcoffman at gmail.com> wrote:
> I do know Tim, and can tell you he is definitely no sell-out.
> I think his official title is (or was) Technical Evangelist. To a certain
> extent, talking about MS products is his job. I also know he can and will be
> frank about things. Basically, he's employed to learn about MS products and
> mess around at conferences then go and tell companies and developers about
> them. those who want to know.
>
> The job is not trolling on forums or user groups trying to convince people
> of anything.
>
> I think the original purpose of this was to discuss Silverlight/Moonlight,
> the purpose of them, and MS's role. If you're not interested because of MS
> being involved, then fine. feel free to ignore this thread.
>
> Personally, I'm very interested. It would kind of bridge a couple worlds for
> me, and making expanding my linux/oss world easier.
>
>
> On 9/10/07, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
> >   Just to clarify, I'm not calling Tim a sellout.  I don't know him,
> > can't tell where he is coming from.  I would like to know if doing
> > this sort of thing is part of his job description.
> >
> >   -jmz
> >
> >
> > On 9/10/07, Alan Dayley < alandd at consultpros.com> wrote:
> > > Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > on this list.  It seems that one of their recent strategies is to
> > > > employ 'cool' and 'passionate' people to gab about their technologies
> > > > on lists like this.  MSFT has not become 'cool', the company is a
> > >
> > > I have no doubt there are many MSFT people who are tasked to seek out
> > > forums for getting the word out.  In contrast, Tim did not join this
> > > list until he was asked and approached the group privately first.
> > >
> > > Personally I'd classify Tim as 'cool' and 'passionate' about tech.  He
> > > certainly is not unwelcome to this or any other PLUG list.
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > >
> > >
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