Well, Hans is pretty clue impaired on many programing topics and he runs the group. ;^) We are all clue impaired in some way. I know very little about Ruby programming but Carl still seems to like me. All are welcome. Alan At 04:13 PM 8/5/02 -0700, you wrote: >I'm very new to development, but does anyone mind if I sit in? I'll try not >to look too clueless. :)