From plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org Wed Oct 3 17:24:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lurker@lists.phxlinux.org Delivered-To: lurker@lists.phxlinux.org Received: from phxlinux.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phxlinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CA032A0009; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 17:24:10 -0700 (MST) X-Original-To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org Delivered-To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org Received: from mr26p44im-ztdg08103301.me.com (mr26p44im-ztdg08103301.me.com [17.111.247.49]) by phxlinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A54432A0008 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2018 17:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.mr26p44im-ztdg08103301.me.com by mr26p44im-ztdg08103301.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.2.20180531 64bit (built May 31 2018)) id <0PG100K00SXUDT00@mr26p44im-ztdg08103301.me.com> for plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 00:24:09 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=04042017; t=1538612649; bh=TgnBzpxCngQQ3G+TuSUrFEbibgrcbrq9679YIM8MS2I=; h=From:Content-type:MIME-version:Subject:Date:To:Message-id; b=sYlE6fyCb90u6bU6ExREEpHAQJKCCXVR7rBhxF+NEaN/Bm902BZRxe7MUfnKGzK4f L4Z3g4XQMVIu4RegmImFm0pgPbidMLKk/7pwRfevvZa5VbkxPl5lcRnwfBT6vSYYkj b4BJUSKTgM7gYbgyTTdmAx65JEQJWAh4O7LJk+VgQEtHbOIbd2F2yvaTb72XNV58Mw ololBLjvmInmHzr+JvK3djvAPkwKFM56XGmiQ4Jvt4f//JWQejMsuAX+g1HwAFV77N ej68S5zHsd8waLcMiLnTqaSbOZ/ofpiNSFMhupceY2r6MQHuk1leBUvBJYVNWR+Ibs o2cJ8v1EplPIw== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mr26p44im-ztdg08103301.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.2.2.20180531 64bit (built May 31 2018)) with ESMTPSA id <0PG100CUTT47FM00@mr26p44im-ztdg08103301.me.com> for plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 00:24:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1810040003 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:,, definitions=2018-10-03_11:,, signatures=0 From: Eric Oyen MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: OT: Stupid Thunderbird Problem Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 17:24:07 -0700 References: <71A7F858-AC3C-4B17-96EB-579283D1F589@cox.net> To: Main PLUG discussion list In-reply-to: Message-id: <9873DE1E-EAC2-4067-9E4D-390C18E5898E@icloud.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-BeenThere: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Main PLUG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4586950141186489987==" Errors-To: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org Sender: "PLUG-discuss" --===============4586950141186489987== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_96AEAF71-93D1-44A9-B54F-FB0DE8964534" --Apple-Mail=_96AEAF71-93D1-44A9-B54F-FB0DE8964534 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey, these things happen. :) Btw, speaking of tech support, does anyone have a need for someone who = can manage a few systems? I can bring my own access technology if = needed. I am finding myself in a bit of a financial swamp right now = (more like I am in over my head) and an extra $500 a month would go a = long way toward getting me clear of the issues. The only hitch is how = it=E2=80=99s going to affect my disability payments. However, if it = turns into a full time position that pays much better than I get now = (which is about $10k/year) it could relieve a lot of stress. I could work from the telephone if need be. Anyway, if anyone has a good idea for this blind technologist, I=E2=80=99m= game. -Eric > On Oct 3, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Victor Odhner wrote: >=20 > Thanks, Eric. >=20 > Your comments led me to follow several angles, but nothing worked. But = it steered me in a direction that got past the error. >=20 > At one point I bought Growl but found that the link for Thunderbird is = locked out. >=20 > Then I found a page about Mozilla logging: >=20 > https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging = >=20 > I ran Thunderbird from the command line to turn on logging. >=20 > It didn=E2=80=99t log anything, just a start-up message, but = Thunderbird did not have the error in that mode. I finished moving my = emails to the Zoho account. >=20 > So, thanks for the support. You sort of nudged me towards a solution. = I guess I=E2=80=99ll never know what the complaint was from Zoho. >=20 > _______________ >=20 > On 20181003, at 01:23, Eric Oyen > wrote: >=20 > Check for notifications in the system preferences. There=E2=80=99s a = notifications preferences pane and in there will be the apps that have = accessed it. You can also change the amount of time that the message = will display. >=20 > Btw, I have the same issue when trying to read notifications with the = screen reader. >=20 > Btw, you can also try control+option+F1 and see if the notifications = show up in there (they do on my high Sierra system). >=20 > -Eric > Blind computer user, Mac and Linux guru. >=20 >> On Oct 3, 2018, at 1:14 AM, Victor Odhner > wrote: >>=20 >> Using Thunderbird on my Macbook. >> It has my old and new accounts. >> I have been moving old messages from Yahoo to Zoho. >>=20 >> Some moves don=E2=80=99t work, and I get a notification in a little = bubble that appears fleetingly in the upper right-hand corner, something = like a notice of an incoming email. >>=20 >> The notice appears within a couple of seconds, and the punch line of = the message does not fit in the message bubble. >> Clicking on the bubble just makes it disappear more quickly. >>=20 >> So my question: where do I find the complete message? >> I looked around for logs, but can=E2=80=99t find them. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Victor >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org = >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss = > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org = > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss = > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --Apple-Mail=_96AEAF71-93D1-44A9-B54F-FB0DE8964534 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hey, = these things happen. :)

Btw, speaking of tech support, does anyone have a need for = someone who can manage a few systems? I can bring my own access = technology if needed. I am finding myself in a bit of a financial swamp = right now (more like I am in over my head) and an extra $500 a month = would go a long way toward getting me clear of the issues. The only = hitch is how it=E2=80=99s going to affect my disability payments. = However, if it turns into a full time position that pays much better = than I get now (which is about $10k/year) it could relieve a lot of = stress.

I = could work from the telephone if need be.

Anyway, if anyone has a good idea for = this blind technologist, I=E2=80=99m game.

-Eric


On Oct 3, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Victor Odhner <vodhner@cox.net> = wrote:

Thanks, = Eric.

Your comments = led me to follow several angles, but nothing worked. But it steered me = in a direction that got past the error.

At one point I bought Growl but found = that the link for Thunderbird is locked out.

Then I found a page about Mozilla = logging:


I ran Thunderbird from = the command line to turn on logging.

It didn=E2=80=99t log anything, just a = start-up message, but Thunderbird did not have the error in that mode. =  I finished moving my emails to the Zoho account.

So, thanks for the = support. You sort of nudged me towards a solution. I guess I=E2=80=99ll = never know what the complaint was from Zoho.

_______________

On 20181003, at 01:23, Eric = Oyen <eric.oyen@icloud.com> wrote:

Check for = notifications in the system preferences. There=E2=80=99s a notifications = preferences pane and in there will be the apps that have accessed it. = You can also change the amount of time that the message will = display.

Btw, I have = the same issue when trying to read notifications with the screen = reader.

Btw, you can also try control+option+F1 and see if the = notifications show up in there (they do on my high Sierra = system).

-Eric
Blind computer user, Mac and Linux = guru.

On Oct 3, 2018, at 1:14 AM, Victor Odhner = <vodhner@cox.net> = wrote:

Using Thunderbird on = my Macbook.
It has my old and new accounts.
I have been moving old messages from Yahoo to Zoho.

Some moves don=E2=80=99t = work, and I get a notification in a little bubble that appears = fleetingly in the upper right-hand corner, something like a notice of an = incoming email.

The notice appears within a couple of seconds, and the punch = line of the message does not fit in the message bubble.
Clicking on the bubble just makes it disappear more = quickly.

So my question: where do I find the complete = message?
I looked around for logs, but can=E2=80=99= t find them.

Thanks,
Victor

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