From plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org Sun Sep 23 00:21:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: lurker@lists.phxlinux.org Delivered-To: lurker@lists.phxlinux.org Received: from phxlinux.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phxlinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7D332A0008; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 00:21:11 -0700 (MST) X-Original-To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org Delivered-To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org Received: from mail-oi0-f48.google.com (mail-oi0-f48.google.com [209.85.218.48]) by phxlinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3444432A0007 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 00:21:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oi0-f48.google.com with SMTP id k12-v6so14655372oiw.8 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 00:21:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=z5QIRf8xii+8OW3EOTHlDIuv7GMCUaZ3ehZQMRBrYQI=; b=CVviSaja8HhsS84Nma5yFRGhMJY0Yg1MXGsMZfvup+L60QxC1c3Q7jpE12kBpNdBYH mkoblh9Nc3lkFRSY0GrEL834z0ybr0WfBdZLquAc2618ndaxHnOhqwEM/hFtu6+G9lbx tPqS1TdjWQhfbLYu6GfV8LABsOxLmqDSMvHI6PL5Qt0wN/Ddko4vnnKysvECU73D3tpv b3H9A7cRpKRv0FacKYDDSJR08OM5dbU5Ua/KozB5VMRIkH3k5HLKA6bqfjZ2afSPUUTx EJwAq96pUz+r/Qg2J0e7jh+43DyMXgEFRonUyhL6jCW297mi5svB4kI8TlwC1l+3UD28 oOCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=z5QIRf8xii+8OW3EOTHlDIuv7GMCUaZ3ehZQMRBrYQI=; b=Toi2GyaIXpi6vXdP17qun4THmHYJSxKupjzA5IrXddhXpJF7qcnMoXrFwMyLrW0QHo MD3ExTf+Zthcbf1lGrD70pfE50ItIw8Z3iVvMQ2cHHB6HTVdiVOOC+aJJD3ijQDngEeL oIxdwllkzwPk2cI/Zw4ngZclDCeOjBgHjenAI/g2UjAil+fXCtWQ6II8pURyhbVR6nUi cfGGwy5OoGEVDyw9bt9ur+0/UjZt6k7bY1XYKJu64tFcXp6umB/koD+nT76fVXh+dxC0 JnMqUFiNTDlVPsldxzK/UyRsUT66sccKMx7zftKtq9PDlxoPuzxQi0RKMzjOgebni3ML zLdA== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51CICCUJtdodW2dK2AAG/jmKyGu0TylOLNCe+prQRHzicAQgfqd/ rn2hU2GcnedIGMwL1C/2rYSF6ZzQs+CfdYg3t0Ym8w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZCFRjUmxEUu/jeXX+zhzg04TX4CxZZ+PSEpw289FFtSRZsfQUsPTY5jvtYza6lYxEILo2sm+7O8OjkHYdkbAg= X-Received: by 2002:aca:57d4:: with SMTP id l203-v6mr2555429oib.329.1537687269367; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 00:21:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Stephen Partington Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 00:20:58 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: zfs on linux To: Main PLUG discussion list X-BeenThere: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Main PLUG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1146803988552092919==" Errors-To: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org Sender: "PLUG-discuss" --===============1146803988552092919== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000776a7a057684b720" --000000000000776a7a057684b720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" My experience with zfs has been for large file servers. Never in a workstation environment. Really nice once you got used to its nuances. As it was for filer use I did not care about the ram used. On Sat, Sep 22, 2018, 9:38 PM Ed wrote: > Michael - ZFS will run on Linux, but is most at home on FreeBSD - and the > only way to boot from an encrypted partition that I have heard of. Might be > worth a look. > > On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:29 PM Michael Butash wrote: > >> Good to know, thanks for that. >> >> Encryption is high on my list, as aside from raid/redundancy, but would >> really like to find a better way vs. md+luks+lvm+fs to do >> hardware+encryption+volume management. >> >> I might try to reconstruct a device to do zfs, hoping it's more suitable >> for production than 2 years or so ago I tried it last. Then encryption was >> brand new and arch couldn't deal with booting off it. >> >> -mb >> >> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 8:38 PM Todd Cole wrote: >> >>> I have have been using ZFS raid for over a year on several servers >>> Proxmox both spinning and ssd's and ssd L2arc with spinning disks after the >>> learning curve I have nothing bad to say other than it does suck up ram >>> but worth the loss it is stable fault tolerant perfect what I do. easy >>> to replace or add drives. I have not used encryption --- yet >>> todd >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 7:22 PM Michael Butash >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone actually using zfs on linux out there? Ala something like this >>>> >>>> ideally? >>>> >>>> When last I installed arch, there was a limit in the kernel that >>>> couldn't boot zfs for some reason, but otherwise tried it and liked what I >>>> saw. I'm more interested in encryption+boot if possible, but don't know >>>> anyone using zfs for anything real yet. >>>> >>>> I'd like to replace my md+luks+lvm setup with something that can do all >>>> native for raid+encryption+dynamic volumes, just would love to see someone >>>> else doing so already. >>>> >>>> -mb >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Todd Cole >>> Ubuntu Arizona Team >>> 2928 W El Caminito >>> Phoenix AZ 85051-3957 >>> toddc@azloco.com >>> 602-677-9402 >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --000000000000776a7a057684b720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My experience with zfs has been for large file servers. N= ever in a workstation environment. Really nice once you got used to its nua= nces. As it was for filer use I did not care about the ram used.=C2=A0
On Sat, Sep 22, 2018, 9:38= PM Ed <plug@0x1b.com> wrote:
Michael - ZFS will r= un on Linux, but is most at home on FreeBSD - and the only way to boot from= an encrypted partition that I have heard of. Might be worth a look.
<= br>
On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:29= PM Michael Butash <michael@butash.net> wrote:
Good to know, thanks for that.<= /div>

Encryption is high on my list, as aside from raid/= redundancy, but would really like to find a better way vs. md+luks+lvm+fs t= o do hardware+encryption+volume management.

I migh= t try to reconstruct a device to do zfs, hoping it's more suitable for = production than 2 years or so ago I tried it last.=C2=A0 Then encryption wa= s brand new and arch couldn't deal with booting off it.
<= br>
-mb

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 8:38 PM Todd Cole <toddc@azloco.com> = wrote:
I have= have been using ZFS raid for over a year on several servers Proxmox both s= pinning and ssd's and ssd L2arc with spinning disks after the learning = curve I have nothing bad to say other than it does suck up ram
bu= t worth the loss it is stable fault tolerant perfect what I do. easy to rep= lace or add drives. I have not used encryption --- yet
todd

On Sat, Sep 22, 2= 018 at 7:22 PM Michael Butash <michael@butash.net> wrote:
Anyone actually usin= g zfs on linux out there?=C2=A0 Ala something like this ideally?
When last I installed arch, there was a limit in the kernel tha= t couldn't boot zfs for some reason, but otherwise tried it and liked w= hat I saw.=C2=A0 I'm more interested in encryption+boot if possible, bu= t don't know anyone using zfs for anything real yet.

I'd like to replace my md+luks+lvm setup with something that can= do all native for raid+encryption+dynamic volumes, just would love to see = someone else doing so already.

-mb
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