Excellent points. I don't entirely believe 2000 was a bomb. But in all reality, I don't know anyone that used it. I saw it on a couple servers and replaced it with linux on a few others. It wasn't horrible, but come one! Windows ME on an NTOS kernel? I thought the frequent automatic reboots were a "feature" so I did not have to manually reboot Windows ME! Windows 2000 destroyed the only good "feature" Windows ME had!
Nathan
On Monday, December 31, 2012 09:30:20 AM Michael Butash wrote:
> I'll agree, I thought 2000 was actually quite great. It was a server on
> your desktop, yes, but coming out from ME at the time (shivers), it
> fixed the perpetual memory leaks that were win95-98. It was the first
> consumer-grade win os NOT to require nightly reboots, and thus began
> uptimes of more than 2 days with it.
>
> I'm not so much down on their products as I am the company, and what
> they stand for. Which sadly hasn't been much of anything in the past 10
> years. Balmer is about the creepiest and craziest leader I can imagine,
> and the constant "drink the koolaid" chants from him for disastrous
> product launches with promises revolutionizing the world (again) are a
> joke anymore. They've simply run in place for far too long, the world
> passed them by, and they failed to even notice.
>
> My last shot at loving a microsoft product was their smartphone, before
> apple supposedly invented them. For a good 3 years (2005-2008) I used a
> winmo phone, and for a time, it was good. I was with them from winmo3
> through 6.5, about 5 "major" releases, and saw literally the same bugs
> and problems affect base usage across all of them. They simply never
> fixed it, they only wrapped new ui's and new features across broken
> kernels and a broken base os. The advent of the Iphone and Palm Pre,
> even immature Android then made WinMo look comical in comparison. I'd
> moved on and never looked back.
>
> What is comical is that Microsoft truly innovated in the smartphone
> space originally when the only competition was really PalmOS devices, or
> Blackberry. At some point, they simply gave up, let it languish, and
> eventually faded out. They missed a huge opportunity to capture the
> entire budding smartphone market, and now want desperately back in to
> avoid obsolescence.
>
> Windows 8 is their attempt to make everyone want their smartphone (and
> pump ads) by making the desktop user blur the line between their desktop
> and a phone. Problem is nobody but them wants this in a productive
> desktop. Maybe they should have looked across the table to see how well
> that worked for Ubuntu with Unity.
>
> -mb
>
> On 12/31/2012 08:17 AM, Paul Mooring wrote:
> > I don't think it's fair to call 2000 a bomb. It was possibly the best
> > Windows OS ever released for the time it came out, pre-SP2 XP on the
> > other hand was pretty awful.
> >
> > On a related note, why is it Linux folds are so down on anything MS puts
> > out. I really prefer a *nix OS but I think there's things MS gets right
> > that the larger Linux community should be learning from rather than
> > laughing at (powershell anyone?).
> >
> > --
> > Paul Mooring
> > Systems Engineer and Customer Advocate
> >
> > www.opscode.com
> >
> > From: Nathan England <nathan@nmecs.com <mailto:nathan@nmecs.com>>
> > Organization: NME Computer Services
> > Reply-To: "nathan@nmecs.com <mailto:nathan@nmecs.com>" <nathan@nmecs.com
> > <mailto:nathan@nmecs.com>>, Main PLUG discussion list
> > <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>>
> > Date: Monday, December 31, 2012 4:21 AM
> > To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> > <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>>
> > Subject: Re: Windows 8 demo video parody
> >
> > That is definitely Microsofts M.O.
> >
> > Windows 95 was awesome
> >
> > Windows 98 was a bomb
> >
> > Windows 98 SE was awesome (it was more than just an update)
> >
> > Windows Millenium was a bomb
> >
> > Windows 2000 was a bomb (though some really liked it)
> >
> > Windows XP was awesome
> >
> > Windows Vista was a major bomb!
> >
> > Windows 7 was awesome
> >
> > Windows 8 was a ............. i'm leaning towards bomb here...
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Nathan England
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
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> >
> > Nathan England (nathan@nmecs.com <mailto:nathan@nmecs.com>)
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, December 31, 2012 04:05:02 AM Derek Trotter wrote:
> >
> > I get the feeling windows 8 will turn out to be a bigger dud than vista
> > or Bob. Anyone disagree?
> >
> > On 12/31/2012 03:39 AM, Nathan England wrote:
> >
> > That is hysterical! The first real computer I owned was a Compaq
> > Presario 486DX2, 66MHz with 4 MB of ram and it came with Windows 3.1?
> > and Bob. I thought it was a game or something and I could never figure
> > it out, so I deleted it. It was later that day that I found the Yahoo!
> > page for operating systems and discovered linux. I was hoping to find
> > the Mac OS like I had at school to run on my pc. I had no idea they were
> > such totally different beasts... That was a long time ago!
> >
> > I have Windows 7 Enterprise 90 eval on a partition of my workstation for
> > testing and IE use when necessary, and Netflix. My wife will occasionaly
> > use my laptop for checking her email in Firefox. I decided to see how
> > realistic these stupid usability videos are with a fairly non-technical
> > user who is not afraid to click around, so I installed Window(s?) 8 on
> > my system and didn't say a word. Unfortunately, I was never able to
> > surprise her with the system change, as she came into my office to ask
> > me what all the grumbling and griping was about. I was laughing so hard,
> > and then grunting and moaning, then laughing, she thought I was playing
> > a game or something. So I had to explain what it was.
> >
> > It has been a week now that I have been using Windows 8. I installed my
> > development tools on it and decided I would try it for a little while. I
> > have two screens. Any of you experience this wonderful system with two
> > screens yet? You think this new system is fubar when you only have one
> > screen? Try two!
> >
> > I really do like the Netflix "app" that I was able to download from the
> > app store. The interface rocks. As long as you don't use it. Are you
> > serious? This thing is useless! Search for movies? you have to exit the
> > app, use the "charms" bar, type in your search, then select the Netflix
> > app to search in... Hello ! What usability expert approved this?
> >
> > Then it suffers from the typical windows "I don't know how long this
> > will take to transfer, so I'll make something up" dialog box. When you
> > use the netflix website and you click somewhere in the video timeline it
> > will jump to that section and dispaly a bar or circle thing showing how
> > much is buffering. In the netflix app it is obvious it is depending on
> > windows for this info. It will start at 0 and quickly move to 100% then
> > suddenly its at 50% and climbs to 100%, then it drops to like 15% and
> > s....l....o....w...l...y... moves to about 27% and suddenly starts
> > playing the video... That's IF it acutally seeks correctly.
> >
> > Windows 8 really is not usable as a real system. Cygwin is screwed and
> > not even fun to use anymore. Putty is the same old ugly putty, nothing
> > can make it worse.
> >
> > Try setting a different browser as the default and all the "apps" that
> > are designed to use IE as the browser will fail, or at least kick you to
> > the desktop with no obvious way back to your Modern UI. How many people
> > know there is a windows button on their keyboards? If you don't know
> > that, good luck click the 60 pixel wide button to get back to Modern!!!
> >
> > Just my .02
> >
> > Nathan
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