that attache was not it. it was a meta;lic gray color  case with like a three inch monitor. very similar to the attache. only one floppy drive though.

On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 9:39 PM <techlists@phpcoderusa.com> wrote:

I do not recall.  I think it might have been something like 13 to 14
inches...  Was given an attache Otrona
https://www.oldcomputermuseum.com/attache.html circa 1986 by a manager
who said "you are the only one who knows what to do with this thing".  I
was taking programming at the local JC so he thought I knew more than
anyone else... I mention if because it was a portable that weight a lot
and had a built in 4 inch screen.



On 2025-05-11 18:27, Michael wrote:
> Commodore 64 days? Did you have that 64 with the little monitor? The
> forerunner to the laptop?
>
> On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 8:24 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2025-05-10 20:53, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Eric!!
>>
>> My first M$ product was DOS 3.1.  As I recall, and it has been a few
>>
>> years, 2.11 was still out there.  That was around 1986....
>>
>> I got to see a lot since my commodore 64 days...
>>
>> Still do not understand how an Apple is less vulnerable when not
>> being
>> upgraded.  I know most attacks are om M$ and the Web.... However....
>>
>>> Keith,
>>>
>>> There is the realization in the apple community that everyone
>> will, at
>>> some point, be forced to upgrade. There isn’t a lot of noise
>> simply
>>> because it is already a known fact (and apple doesn’t charge for
>> OS
>>> upgrades). MS got into a lot of trouble and started losing gobs of
>>
>>> money when they tried to insist that everyone pay for OS upgrades
>> on
>>> every upgrade. Honestly, if it were up to me, I would have the dev
>>
>>> teams for both apple and MS working on solving all the old bugs
>> that
>>> never seem to go away, regardless of major version. There are some
>> bugs
>>> in both OS environments that go back to very early days of each
>> (in the
>>> case of windows, a few such bugs go back as far as the msDos based
>>
>>> systems using win 3.1).
>>>
>>> Oh, and as for MS demanding upgrades, they are part of the same
>>> consortium that brought you the extensible firmware interface and
>> are
>>> also involved heavily in the trusted platform module project
>> (which is
>>> why win11 might not install on machines older than some
>> pre-described
>>> date). Also, MS does sell their OS in the retail markets for those
>> who
>>> custom build their own machines. However, their biggest money
>> maker
>>> happens to be the licensing scheme they use (and volume licenses
>> can
>>> cost as much as $2,000 a unit yearly for corporate environments).
>> That
>>> also applies to government contracts (ever been to the SSA or even
>> the
>>> state dept of economic security? Virtually every desktop is a
>> windows
>>> machine with some kind of back end server setup for in house
>> storage,
>>> security, database and other things.
>>>
>>> Anyway, that’s my take on the whole apple vs. MS vs Linux
>> contest that
>>> has been going on since the early 2000’s.
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Historical
>> References
>>> Dept.
>>>
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