we're talking about the same thing in gaming. always online games means the game is going to go away at some point when the company shuts down the servers. that's baked into the idea. no longer will we be able to pull 20 y/o games out of the closet and play 'em.

it makes sense to companies to do this. the only real way for the consumers to respond is to accept it, or refuse in large enough numbers they have to respond. that means we use less than optimal solutions sometimes. not playing the best games, using gimp instead of photoshop, etc.

luckily, we foss folk tend to be willing to deal with it, and often end up with better systems in the end than what we stopped using.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 12:24 PM Joe Neglia via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

Good to see another Grandview user here! I originally used PC-Outline that was included with WordStar all those years ago, but later found Grandview was an upgraded version. I run it now under DosBox. (WordStar, too, when I really need to write seriously.) I'm really surprised that there is still no open source outlining program similar to Grandview.

*Thank goodness* Linux can run those old proprietary programs.

I would rather have a bag of mosquitoes tied around my head than subscribe to online proprietary software. No way I'm going to be chained to a treadmill.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 12:09 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
On Tue, 2022-08-30 at 08:56 -0700, JD Austin via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Adobe doesn't sell CS6 anymore; they're all about the subscription.
>

What's really cool about the proprietary subscription model is that once you're not
subscribed, you've lost your data. Who wouldn't enjoy a situation like that?

I don't want any of you to think I'm trying to get sympathy, but in 1990 I started
using a spectacular drawing program called Micorgrafx Windows Draw (MGX Draw), and
made hundreds of drawings with it. In the late 1990's MGX Draw was sold to a company
operating out of a PO box, who promptly sunk it but wouldn't release the source.
Unfortunately for me, I still had the install disk, so even today I have the option
of running MGX Draw on Wine in order to access my drawings from the 1990's. Totally
unacceptable. WordPerfect 5.1 is worse: Being a DOS program all I need to do is copy
the WordPerfect 5.1 install directory to my Linux drive, run it under FreeDOS, and
access all my 1980's Wordperfect files. This is a horrible invasion of the past.

When it came to an outline processor called Grandview, I solved this problem even
though Grandview wasn't a subscription. I lost the install CD and the executable
tree, so now I cannot look at my Grandview files at all. This is how computing
should work: Data over 7 years old must be discarded!

Subscription software solves this problem elegantly. Imagine your joy when you go to
open an old file, only to find that you no longer have an executable with which to
look at the file. Then you might as well no longer back it up, keeping your backups
smaller.

I just love proprietary subscription software!

SteveT

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