Thank you Brian.



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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: ot - gas price (Jim)
   2. Re: ot - gas price (Jim)
   3. Re: ot - gas price (Jim)
   4. Thievery Corporation - The Richest Man in Babylon [Full Album
      Stream] --->>>> TGIF!! (greg zegan)
   5. music for coders to relax... (greg zegan)
   6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging (greg zegan)
   7. PLUG and Politics (Brian Cluff)
   8. Re: PLUG and Politics (Ed)
   9. Re: ot - gas price (Ed)
  10. Re: ot - gas price (Michael Butash)
  11. Re: ot - gas price (Steve Litt)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:32 -0700
From: Jim <azanorak@gmail.com>
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Subject: Re: ot - gas price
Message-ID: <5ac330fc-2f49-cf1e-976f-7d194c68a5e9@gmail.com>
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Careful what you ask for.  :-)

On 3/18/22 08:38, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> honestly... I was just wondering what gas was costing in AZ. I didn't
> want a political debate because most likely we are set in our beliefs.
> I would love to get together for drinks but can't make it as I live
> far from phoenix.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 11:24 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss
> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>     And there it is.
>     Nice.
>     Everything I mentioned comes from Liberal Arts, not MAGA.
>     Jimmy Dore is Liberal Progressive.
>
>
>     On Friday, March 18, 2022, 06:58:56 AM MST, Thomas Cameron via
>     PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>
>     Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics.
>     Don't email me directly again.
>
>     On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
>     Show them you get your news from only one side without telling
>     them... (I couldn't resist):
>     https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
>     Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias
>     which is just opposite of Greg's.
>
>       * https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
>       * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
>       * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
>       * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
>       * The convenience.org <http://convenience.org> link seems to be
>         a blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly
>         balanced on bias from what I can tell.
>         The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with
>         prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office
>         ($2.33 on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because
>         he opened domestic oil production to offset when foreign
>         sources reduce the oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut
>         it down again.
>
>     It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that
>     shutting down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in
>     development adversely affected the price of fuelin America.
>     When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from
>     closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since
>     we rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly
>     to America otherwise.I agree that it's not all Biden's fault...
>     our house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics
>     and I don't have a ton of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 years
>     until it gets really ugly again.
>
>     JD
>
>     On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss
>     <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>         Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.
>
>         https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html
>         https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices
>         https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/
>         https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html
>         https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/
>
>         On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>         Lets go Brandon!
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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:12:43 -0700
From: Jim <azanorak@gmail.com>
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Subject: Re: ot - gas price
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Some say you can save on gas by riding a bicycle.  You can also ride a 
horse and taunt people at the gas station like this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9DwjwCMtTn0



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:20:19 -0700
From: Jim <azanorak@gmail.com>
To: Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: ot - gas price
Message-ID: <a9781960-c430-587d-3d1d-2644cd8fe749@gmail.com>
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After the good manners and courtesy shown in your reply, I had to make a
reply of my own.  It's true that on day 1 of the Biden administration
Biden stopped work on the Keystone pipeline and stopped most drilling on
government land, and imposed stricter regulations on the rest.  If he
hadn't done this, gas would be cheaper.  Besides, there is more harm
done to the environment when oil comes from the middle east.  Ships have
to burn more oil to bring it here.  Also pipelines are a more efficient
way to move oil.  So Biden did have a role to play in the current price
of gas.


Have a nice day.

On 3/18/22 06:58, Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics.
> Don't email me directly again.
>
> On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
>> Show them you get your news from only one side without telling
>> them... (I couldn't resist):
>> https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
>> Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which
>> is just opposite of Greg's.
>>
>>   * https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
>>   * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
>>   * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
>>   * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
>>   * The convenience.org <http://convenience.org> link seems to be a
>>     blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly balanced
>>     on bias from what I can tell.
>>     The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with
>>     prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33
>>     on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because he opened
>>     domestic oil production to offset when foreign sources reduce the
>>     oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut it down again.
>>
>> It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting
>> down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development
>> adversely affected the price of fuelin America.
>> When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from
>> closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we
>> rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to
>> America otherwise.I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our
>> house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics and I
>> don't have a ton of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 years until it
>> gets really ugly again.
>>
>> JD
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>     Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.
>>
>>     https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html
>>     https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices
>>     https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/
>>     https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html
>>     https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/
>>
>>     On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>     Lets go Brandon!
>>
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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 23:44:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: greg zegan <gjzegan@yahoo.com>
To: Main PLUG Discussion List <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Thievery Corporation - The Richest Man in Babylon [Full Album
Stream] --->>>> TGIF!!
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Thievery Corporation - The Richest Man in Babylon [Full Album Stream]


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From: greg zegan <gjzegan@yahoo.com>
To: Main PLUG Discussion List <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: music for coders to relax...
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From: greg zegan <gjzegan@yahoo.com>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:28:04 -0700
From: Brian Cluff <brian@snaptek.com>
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: PLUG and Politics
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This is a place for discussing Linux and subjects surrounding Linux. 
This is not the proper place for general political discussions.
No matter where you fall politically, you are going to offend around 1/2
the people on this mailing list.

Please take the Political discussions some place else where they are
more appropriate.

Brian Cluff
Phoenix Linux Users Group



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 19:19:35 -0700
From: Ed <plug@0x1b.com>
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: PLUG and Politics
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+1

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 6:36 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> This is a place for discussing Linux and subjects surrounding Linux.
> This is not the proper place for general political discussions.
> No matter where you fall politically, you are going to offend around 1/2
> the people on this mailing list.
>
> Please take the Political discussions some place else where they are
> more appropriate.
>
> Brian Cluff
> Phoenix Linux Users Group
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 19:29:55 -0700
From: Ed <plug@0x1b.com>
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: ot - gas price
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Michael,  AAA does a good job of tracking gas prices  -
https://gasprices.aaa.com/

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:20 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> After the good manners and courtesy shown in your reply, I had to make a reply of my own.  It's true that on day 1 of the Biden administration Biden stopped work on the Keystone pipeline and stopped most drilling on government land, and imposed stricter regulations on the rest.  If he hadn't done this, gas would be cheaper.  Besides, there is more harm done to the environment when oil comes from the middle east.  Ships have to burn more oil to bring it here.  Also pipelines are a more efficient way to move oil.  So Biden did have a role to play in the current price of gas.
>
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> On 3/18/22 06:58, Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics. Don't email me directly again.
>
> On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:
>
> Show them you get your news from only one side without telling them... (I couldn't resist):
> https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
> Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which is just opposite of Greg's.
>
> https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
> https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/
> https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/
> https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/
> The convenience.org link seems to be a blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly balanced on bias from what I can tell.
> The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33 on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because he opened domestic oil production to offset when foreign sources reduce the oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut it down again.
>
> It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development adversely affected the price of fuel in America.
> When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to America otherwise.  I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics and I don't have a ton of faith in their leadership.  Only 2 years until it gets really ugly again.
>
> JD
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.
>>
>> https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html
>> https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices
>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/
>>
>> On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>> Lets go Brandon!
>>
>>
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 00:20:38 -0700
From: Michael Butash <michael@butash.net>
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: ot - gas price
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Don't like gas prices?  Guess you could always try your luck with this
approach...

https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/19/gas-pumps-insecure-typical-router/

Wouldn't surprise me to find out those things hang out on probably insecure
wireless at the more janky stations that can't be bothered or too cheap to
run ethernet drops out there to the pumps.

-mb


On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 7:30 PM Ed via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Michael,  AAA does a good job of tracking gas prices  -
> https://gasprices.aaa.com/
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Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 04:27:13 -0400
From: Steve Litt <slitt@troubleshooters.com>
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Subject: Re: ot - gas price
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Michael via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 17 Mar 2022 15:46:57 -0400

>What is gas going for in arizona? It is around 4 a gallon in florida.
>
>--
>:-)~MIKE~(-:

Hey :-)~MIKE~(-: ,

I sent you to /dev/null a few years ago then pulled you out because I
felt sorry for you. Now I'm sending you there again, forever. Either
you're so friggin stupid that you didn't suspect your stupid question
would inevitably cause a left/right civil war flareup that we've so far
avoided on most Linux lists, or you're one of the most destructive
trolls I've ever seen, sabotaging a very good *Linux* list.

Don't bother responding to me: I've already /dev/nulled anything coming
from your email address, direct, or via any mailing list.

Oh, and one last thing: As I used to do with all your other trivial
questions whose answers were a web search away:

https://lmgtfy.app/#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=price%20of%20gas%20in%20arizona

SteveT

Steve Litt
March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Edition
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