I'm in the opposite realm - was a programmer and kind of an admin (glorified script kiddie?), went into networking, and then got back into programming, because it was a "thing" to automate networks. It's now my full time job, and I enjoy it a ton. The network to code slack is full of network engineers who have become that new hybrid. Sorry if that doesn't help from the opposite direction!

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.scott@gmail.com 


On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 7:57 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
With the whole transition to libera.chat for irc and taking some time off from work, I've taken to hanging out there a bit, and this is a common thing I'm seeing in the #networking chat.  I'm seeing a lot of devs showing up in #networking asking for hosting/sysadmin stuff lots, ala "how to make apache do x", or "how do I automate my servers", which I find weird as that's sysadmin stuff normally (to me).  Oddly enough it's a pretty diverse crowd of folks that are kinda hybrids, done networking, done sysadmin, some are php/web devs, etc, but lots of system-centric stuff so it tends to work out for info seekers.  I suspect if I went into #sysadmin or like, they'd know nothing of networking, but #networking tends to come from diverse enough roots they do this stuff too, or did at one point at least.

Moral is, there's a lot of crossover these days, and folks need to know some dev, some sysadmin, and some networking.  The line blurs, but people can't just be like "well, I only do mssql or active directory" anymore, they're replaceable with shell scripts.  I've done unix/linux, some dev, some dba, some windoze, everything between along with a strong focus and experience in networking, and it's paid dividends as I figure out what others don't as a result.

Comparing to the OSI model of networking, I work mostly layer 1-7 up, but most dev/app/sysadmins work layer 7 down, and really have no idea below around layer 5 or so, much to their detriment.  Best these days to be well versed across the board to some extent.  Take a ccna class online, even if you don't get the cert, you'll probably understand things a lot more to make your life easier.

-mb


On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:11 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:


Hi,

I've watched more than a few of NetworkChuck's videos.  Here he is on a
programmer's channel talking about programmers learning networking.   
I've always thought all web programmers have some Linux skills, and
maybe that is not what he is talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlN-vMF13QY&t=0s

How does this work for hosting admin?  Is there the same demand in the
hosting admin niche?  If so what exactly should one know and what types
of jobs can they get?

He mentions Python - is that the programming language to know for server
automation?  He also mentioned Perl.  I thought Perl was/is dead?

I'm a PHP developer and find a lot of hosting tools such as Plesk and
ISPConfig are written in PHP and use MySQL.

Your Thoughts?

Thanks!!

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