I am one of the main offenders and I apologize.

I appreciate you Michael.  You were one of the people who responded to
my questions about Postfix/Dovecot.  I am further along and have a
functioning server, however Postfix/Dovecot is still too much of a
mystery to me.  I need to learn more.

Michael, your post made me think.  This tread started by discussing a
political faction that wants to impose their will on us.

We are a political organization even if we think we are not.  Lets look
a possible scenario.

As you may not know Bill Gates is the single biggest owner of farm land.
  That should scare you.  What if he does not farm that land for a year? 
That could cause severe food shortages.  Who's your daddy?

A little closer to home.  Bill Gates uses his influence (money) to gain
control of some key players and next thing you know Linux is banned
because evil hackers use it to hack other people's servers... Now the
Government is telling us we MUST use Windows only.  The entire Apple
apparatus is undone and Linux is illegal.

So we must be politically involved to some degree.



On 2021-08-03 07:38, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Ugh, these pseudo political/religious threads are best served
> elsewhere, perhaps create a plug-politics group so the CNN vs. Fox
> News crowds to argue in.  Otherwise, can we just go back to technology
> and not how much the world sucks these days?  Tired of checking the
> list for new updates with this drivel, if I wanted politics, I'd hit a
> cancerous mailing list built for it.
>
> -mb
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 7:15 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> In spite of my beliefs that there is no global warming I would like
>> to
>> convert my house to all electric and put as much solar on my roof as
>> it
>> will take.  My goal is net zero house budget.
>> If possible I'd like to have no electric or gas bill and generate
>> enough
>> electricity that my rebate would pay for my property taxes and
>> water/sewer bill.
>>
>> This is the right thing to do for me.  I do not like all the
>> chemicals
>> that go into solar ... but what are you going to do?
>>
>> I see there are a number of auto manufactures that are getting into
>> the
>> electric vehicle production.  I'd like one as a toy.  What I really
>> would like for my daily driver is a 1969 SS 396 4 speed nova.  I had
>> a
>> number of muscle cars and it has been my goal to own another one
>> before
>> I die.
>>
>> Some want to bring the left and the right together.  I think it is
>> impossible.  Steve you believe in global warming and potentially a
>> number of other left leaning ideologies.  I on the other hand do not
>>
>> believe in a lot of that stuff and just want to live free.
>>
>> Another thing we need as Americans is revival.  We need to turn back
>> to
>> God and make Jesus our Lord and Savior.
>>
>> Why has the USA driven the global markets for some time in the past?
>>
>> God's provision.
>>
>> On 2021-08-02 12:21, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> Matthew Gibson said on Mon, 2 Aug 2021 11:56:48 -0700
>>>
>>>> And if you have your way we will be looking a lot like Venezuela
>> or
>>>> Cuba.
>>>
>>> And if you have your way, 2060 Americans would gleefully trade
>> places
>>> with today's Venezuelans or Cubans.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Now, aside from attempting to force your will upon me and
>> society,
>>>> what can you personally do to lower your carbon footprint?
>>>
>>> The preceding is a good question, one that I and every other
>> person
>>> needs to consider and answer.
>>>
>>> Already I use LED bulbs everywhere, I drive my 2.0 liter Jeep less
>> than
>>> 8000 miles a year, I run my summer thermostat at 78 farenheit.
>> That's
>>> the starting point.
>>>
>>> Due to this discussion I've been watching my activities. I
>> currently
>>> use purified cold water from the fridge to make my hot tea. That's
>>> stupid: I need to find a way to filter water without refrigerating
>> it.
>>>
>>> I can get better attic insulation. This costs quite a bit of
>> money, but
>>> it's the right thing to do and will save money in the long run.
>>>
>>> I can keep my backup server turned off except when doing backups.
>> I
>>> already do this most of the time: I could do it all of the time.
>>>
>>> I can get my ceiling fans repaired/replaced so we can run the
>>> thermostat at 79 or 80 degrees.
>>>
>>> I'll continue contemplating your question. It's an excellent one.
>>>
>>> SteveT
>>>
>>> Steve Litt
>>> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
>> Successful
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