Thank you Kevin, that is what I thought, but Ubuntu has gone to such odd lengths to try to make you think real root doesn't exist, I wanted to make sure there wasn't a recent connection made between su and sudo.  
Phil W

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 7:57 PM Kevin Fries <kevin@fries-biro.com> wrote:
su and sudo are two different things.

Also, root is simply a moniker for userid 0 by convention.

With SU, to gain elevated privs, you need the root password.  And with that password, you have all the keys to the kingdom.

SUDO, on the other hand allows granular elevation.   So, you can have root access to add users, but not start services, or to start and stop services, but not view logs.

Also, if you go into /etc/passed, and rename account 0 (zero), from root to thegrandguru, su and sudo will elevate your privs, from the user to that of thegrandguru.  If you create an accout called root, with a userid of 1005, root will be just a common user, but thegrandguru is what you generally think of as root.

Realize that all this is about getting your privs to that of userid=0

Kevin Fries

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On Oct 16, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Harold Hartley <wheelie207@ownmail.net> wrote:
I think su is short for sudo.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, at 16:02, Phil Waclawski wrote:
So, I see the recent major bug with sudo, and on centos (unlike ubuntu flavors) I never use it. 

Is there a problem with just commenting out the 

root ALL = ALL(ALL) in the sudoers file?

I don't think su is in any way connected to sudoers, but I want to check before I do something stupid.

I have done some searching and I can't get an answer about this so far.

Phil Waclawski
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