i'm trying to recreate the crash to make sure I didn't copy and paste the stress command with a blank space in it (which would cause the command to execute). On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Michael wrote: > I think glmark2 crashed it just crashed it after about 2 hours > > > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Michael wrote: > >> final reading: >> $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +75.0°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +53.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> editors note: the computer has 2 venting areas with fans. I just took the >> side panel of and am going to run the computer without it. The new reading >> since doing that about 3 minutes ago is: >> >> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +72.5°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +73.0°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +73.0°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +49.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +72.0°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +71.5°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +70.5°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +52.2°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +70.5°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +72.0°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +72.0°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +73.0°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +50.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +72.5°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> Not bad.... about a 2C drop >> >> Now we crash it! >> See you on the other side! >> >> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael wrote: >> >>> 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael wrote: >>> >>>> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is >>>> pretty coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good. >>>> $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> want me to crash it now? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean some >>>>> cooling wouldn't improve things. >>>>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and tried >>>>> to reproduce the crash yet? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second intervals >>>>>> (if it helps): >>>>>> >>>>>> $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.2°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +50.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +53.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +52.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.1°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +52.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +74.0°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +50.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Brien Dieterle >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 30 mins is plenty for a test. Try to get sensors output just before >>>>>>> a crash >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not feasible! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do with >>>>>>>>> cutting power was already diabled >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> $ sensors >>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>>>> temp1: +68.0°C >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>>>> temp1: +45.1°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle >>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too low >>>>>>>>>>> it will just be annoying. >>>>>>>>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you >>>>>>>>>>> haven't yet: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-t >>>>>>>>>>> emperature >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to address >>>>>>>>>>> that with fans and ventilation, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track. Try to isolate whether >>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark alone can crash it, or if you need stress as well. Then try >>>>>>>>>>>>> opening up your case and point a fan in there. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management >>>>>>>>>>>>> events that might be causing the shutdown/reboot. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress. that crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dt) but a power failure outage, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ` >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait. If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself. If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-). If it doesn't crash, you might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to stress the graphics card as well with one of these tools: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now. Did you run stress test >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for more than 10 seconds? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, then it has nothing to do with darktable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when warm sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut down an hour and doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and temperature limits. You may have it set with a maximum temperature so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine panics when it's just warm. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature monitoring program >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no crashes whereas before I had just started the computer and ran dt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 2 minutes and it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance of the 2 minute thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --timeout 10s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> io, 2 vm, 0 hdd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that was suppossed to tell me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days where you had a power switch on the back of your computer... or it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a hard reboot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partington wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it should have no effect on on system or ram consumption unless you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing slowness during render cycles. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable. It seems that after I start it it runs a few minutes and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboots the computer. Probably because I do not have a GPU (I don't think). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I saw this thread and thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not run chrome and darktable at the same time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4850] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get a gpu.... correct? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always Firefox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking all of memory. (Or Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re using). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what’s, well, on top ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: SMART_HRS_RGB] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty Carruth | Customer Support | *rusty.carruth@smarth.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.smarth.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: linkedin] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: twitter] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the new M4[image: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cid:image004.jpg@01D348E7.AF930710] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See us on Storage Search >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.storagesearch.com/smart2.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 510-624-5391 <(510)%20624-5391> | Fax: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 480-926-5579 <(480)%20926-5579> | 1325 N. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fiesta Blvd. Suite 101 Gilbert, Az. 85233 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org] *On >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Michael Butash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I ever have that, it's usually because of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something with a memory leak, or desktop graphic compositing is degrading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it from another computer and check htop (or just top all you have), see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is consuming all your memory or cpu. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop compositors are all shite from what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can tell (including windoze), they're all just a varying degree of broken >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you push them, or just have a slow (or buggy) video card. Depending >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your desktop environment of choice, try turning down graphics options, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or disabling the compositor all together to see if it helps stability. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had instructions on 'resetting' my computer when it started acting weird >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I can't find them. Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on 24/7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe I shouldn't do that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. Anyone know how to fix this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail settings: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - 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