final reading: $ sensors radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +75.0°C k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +53.8°C (high = +70.0°C) (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) editors note: the computer has 2 venting areas with fans. I just took the side panel of and am going to run the computer without it. The new reading since doing that about 3 minutes ago is: bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +72.5°C k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C) (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +73.0°C k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C) (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +73.0°C k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +49.9°C (high = +70.0°C) (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +72.0°C k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C) (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +71.5°C k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C) (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +70.5°C k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +52.2°C (high = +70.0°C) (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +70.5°C k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +72.0°C k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +72.0°C k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C) (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +73.0°C k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +50.5°C (high = +70.0°C) (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors radeon-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +72.5°C k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C) (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) Not bad.... about a 2C drop Now we crash it! See you on the other side! On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael wrote: > 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael wrote: > >> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is pretty >> coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good. >> $ sensors >> radeon-pci-0100 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +74.5°C >> >> k10temp-pci-00c3 >> Adapter: PCI adapter >> temp1: +51.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >> >> want me to crash it now? >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle wrote: >> >>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean some >>> cooling wouldn't improve things. >>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and tried to >>> reproduce the crash yet? >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael wrote: >>> >>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second intervals >>>> (if it helps): >>>> >>>> $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.2°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +50.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +53.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +52.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.1°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +52.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +74.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +50.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Brien Dieterle >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 30 mins is plenty for a test. Try to get sensors output just before a >>>>> crash >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not feasible! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do with >>>>>>> cutting power was already diabled >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +68.0°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +45.1°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too low it >>>>>>>>> will just be annoying. >>>>>>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you haven't >>>>>>>>> yet: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-t >>>>>>>>> emperature >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to address >>>>>>>>> that with fans and ventilation, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle >>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track. Try to isolate whether glmark >>>>>>>>>>> alone can crash it, or if you need stress as well. Then try opening up >>>>>>>>>>> your case and point a fan in there. >>>>>>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management >>>>>>>>>>> events that might be causing the shutdown/reboot. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then stress. >>>>>>>>>>>> that crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with dt) but >>>>>>>>>>>> a power failure outage, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount of >>>>>>>>>>>>> time? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ` >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait. If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself. If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-). If it doesn't crash, you might need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stress the graphics card as well with one of these tools: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now. Did you run stress test for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than 10 seconds? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, then it has nothing to do with darktable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warm sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been shut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down an hour and doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature limits. You may have it set with a maximum temperature so the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine panics when it's just warm. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature monitoring program >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no crashes whereas before I had just started the computer and ran dt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 2 minutes and it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance of the 2 minute thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --timeout 10s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> io, 2 vm, 0 hdd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that was suppossed to tell me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days where you had a power switch on the back of your computer... or it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a hard reboot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partington wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering. it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should have no effect on on system or ram consumption unless you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing slowness during render cycles. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable. It seems that after I start it it runs a few minutes and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboots the computer. Probably because I do not have a GPU (I don't think). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I saw this thread and thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not run chrome and darktable at the same time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4850] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a gpu.... correct? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always Firefox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking all of memory. (Or Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re using). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what’s, well, on top ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: SMART_HRS_RGB] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty Carruth | Customer Support | *rusty.carruth@smarth.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.smarth.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: linkedin] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: twitter] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the new M4[image: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cid:image004.jpg@01D348E7.AF930710] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See us on Storage Search >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.storagesearch.com/smart2.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 510-624-5391 <(510)%20624-5391> | Fax: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 480-926-5579 <(480)%20926-5579> | 1325 N. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fiesta Blvd. Suite 101 Gilbert, Az. 85233 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org] *On >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Michael Butash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I ever have that, it's usually because of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something with a memory leak, or desktop graphic compositing is degrading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from another computer and check htop (or just top all you have), see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is consuming all your memory or cpu. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop compositors are all shite from what I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can tell (including windoze), they're all just a varying degree of broken >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you push them, or just have a slow (or buggy) video card. Depending >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your desktop environment of choice, try turning down graphics options, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or disabling the compositor all together to see if it helps stability. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had instructions on 'resetting' my computer when it started acting weird >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I can't find them. Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on 24/7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe I shouldn't do that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. 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