"Library services dept." You have too much fun with that.

Familiar with all of those authors, tho not big on The Bard. And I just not long ago read Williamson's "Terraforming Earth", which I really liked. His grand-scale scope and interesting use of technology reminded me a lot of "Marooned In Real-time" by Vernor Vinge, and most things by Niven and Niven/cowriters.

Not directly dystopian - usually (but try Fallen Angels by Niven and.... uh....?), but interesting. I always loved the Baen Books compilations of "Belter" stories, where the independent-minded asteroid mining colonies declare independence from a dystopian Earth.

I even wrote a song lyric set in that kind of universe. "This world down here is done / so count from 10 to 1 / Leave a cloud of dust on the horizon / and be free again". Etc. I don't actually think mankind will ever make it that far, but I can still hope.

I always recommend Anthem and Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, and of course 1984.


On 3/23/2017 8:37 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
I will recommend some authors actually,

Isaac Asimov
Robert Heinlein
Jack Williamson (rare if you can find him)
Arthur Clarke
Edgar Rice Burrows
William Shakespear (always a must to understand political intrigue)
and many others.

-eric
from the central office of the Technomage Guild, Library Services Dept.

On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Vara La Fey wrote:

I'm with ya, and I don't know what is required reading now. I'm afraid to find out. Assuming reading more than tweets even is required anymore.

I grew up on hard sci-fi, prolly like a lot of us here, so dystopian fiction is definitely an influence on how I see things. As are the things themselves. Just seeing them potentially merge is scary. I'm not ashamed of being hair-triggered about that. Someone has to be. The more the better, I say.

What books do you recommend? But since I'm currently on 8 distinct (yet interrelated) learning curves, I don't promise to get through very many of them. I feel a bit guilty even asking, but what the hey?

- Vara


On 3/23/2017 6:07 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
ah yes, George Orwell should be required reading for everyone in high school or first year college.

There are also some other books that might bear reading (and some of them even have a take on the current technological and political situation).

-eric
from the central office of the Technomage Guild, You can't take it with you dept.

On Mar 23, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Vara La Fey wrote:

The "3 Minute Hate" was a reference to "1984", which the intended system of "three minutes" of semi-mandatory content reminded me of because it is an intended system of "three minutes" of semi-mandatory content.

I don't hate anybody here, and I have no reason to think that proponents of this spyware/monitoring/chastising system do either. I merely assumed that intelligent techies near my own age would understand the reference, even if they don't agree with my comparison.

I fully mean my criticisms of the system, of proposing to self-righteously take up time belonging to people who are not associated with you, and of it's abuse potential beyond the abuse already inherent in it.

You don't have to be an internet techie to see that. Or to hit an overly-defensive nerve.


On 3/23/2017 4:53 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:50:50 -0700
Vara La Fey <varalafey@gmail.com> wrote:

Please, waste time and effort and money patenting your /spyware 
/chaperone system that monitors web activity with the intent of 
/creating consequences /for activity which you - or your intended 
customer - opines is "invalid". I doubt very many people will buy
into it because there is no upside for them. Even when they alter it
to fit their own agenda, they just anger their customers who can
click OK for EULAs and enter logins, but cannot bypass your 3 Minute
Hate.
Hate?

Pot/Kettle

A look back on Vara La Fey's previous posts shows Vara La Fey short on
tech and long on very nasty criticism. 

Five minutes ago I procmailed Vara La Fey out of my life. 

:0:
* ^From:.*VLF_email_address
* ^(To|Cc).*plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
$GARBAGE

Anybody who agrees with me would be doing themselves a favor (and
lowering their blood pressure) by doing the same.

SteveT
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