On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:41 PM, Keith Smith <techlists@phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
I read it to be akin to not locking your front door so when the cops come a calling they are legally able to walk in and search. Not so today. The 4th Amendment still protects you from that (you leaving your door unlocked).
They were talking about a computer. Used to be your rights stopped at my nose (computer).
As time passes and the courts allow more violations of the U.S. Constitution we will have no rights.
Last week should have been a wake up call as to how far things have degraded.
On 2016-07-12 00:25, David Schwartz wrote:It would appear that the defendant in this case is basically arguing
Heisenburg’s Uncertainty Principle is at play, in that the use of a
trojan to identify and spy on his machine may have resulted in the
files they found there to have come from unspecified sources, just
because the trojan was put there to look around. And the defendant is
claiming this has an inherintly indefensible flaw regarding “chain
of custody” of the data that was collected from the trojan.
It’s kinda like saying that undercover agents in a drug ring cannot
be trusted simply because they were able to con the drug ring’s
leaders into trusting them, and therefore cannot be trusted by
anybody.
What they did could actually be accomplished with retargeting pixels /
cookies and a little bit of snooping through the defendant’s browser
history. It might take a little longer, but the evidence would
probably be stronger that way … they’d basically be
“triangulating” the computer from multiple sources based on known
“salt” cookies (retargeting pixels) that show up passively based
on browsing activities.
But I also believe the term “online privacy” is an oxymoron,
encryption not withstanding. Use the interwebs at your own risk.
-David SchwartzOn Jul 10, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche@pobox.com> wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Apologies to those who've already seen this, but it was news to me:
Last month (Jun 2016), federal district judge Henry Coke Morgan,
Jr[1] ruled that the Fourth Amendment[2] does not protect home
computers. A criminal defendant has no reasonable expectation of
privacy regarding an in-home personal computer, and the federal
government does not need a warrant to hack one.[3] Particularly, "a
computer afforded Fourth Amendment protection in other circumstances
is not protected from Government actors who take advantage of an
easily broken system"[4] to implant malware. The full decision is in
this scanned PDF[5].
Gotta start hardening, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche@pobox.com>
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Coke_Morgan,_Jr [1]. [2]:[2] [3]:https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/06/federal-court-fourth-amendment-does-not-protect-your-home-computer[3] [4]:http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/fbis-use-of-tor-exploit-is-like-peering-through-broken-blinds/[4] [5]:Links:
https://www.eff.org/files/2016/06/23/matish_suppression_edva.pdf [5]
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