Well if it's that hard to maintain a non-profit how does the San Diego LUG, and the Portland and Seattle LUGS manage? 

How does Heatsync labs do it?  It is EASY!  Why would we, who can read any HOWTO and do any technical thing, think we would need either a CPU or a lawyer?  

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 8:40 AM, <techlists@phpcoderusa.com> wrote:

Around 1999, while living in Tucson,  I joined PLUG and the Tucson Free Unix Group (TFUG) lists.  For years we went back and forth about formalizing TFUG. We had at least one meeting and there was lots of discussions  on the list.  After several years it was decided that no structure was the best structure.

You bring up a couple of the benefits, what about the down side.

Creating a non profit takes a lot of work.  And once that status has been reached there is on going requirements that probably require the help of a lawyer and a CPA.

Then there is the issue of ownership and control.  This process could start out with good intentions and could turn evil real quick.

Or maybe the maintainers quit.  Who steps in to take over?  What might their intent be?

Structure can be good, however I think most of us just want to enjoy Linux and Linux related stuff and be free in doing so.

I've been a member of this list for about 15 years and the people on this list have helped me immensely. I appreciate all the help you folks have given me and I'm sure I would not have gotten as far without your help.

Keith

On 2014-08-19 03:02, Lisa Kachold wrote:

Great idea!  I doubt that you will get them (him) to agree to follow
anything that includes rules and structure to allow for success (& a
large healthy LUG).  As long as people are arguing minutia they will
never notice all the secondary gain that keeps successful
professionals uninvolved and uninterested.  In 2002 I suggested
Nonprofit status so people running the LUG functions and donating
funds and equipment can write off reasonable tax exceptions.  I wrote
the whole process up in the discuss list which was the impetus for
heatsink labs in Mesa to jump to grants and success through
internships, etc.  I told Hans I would do it all myself and he
laughed in my face.   

Anyone who has lived in a comparably sized city knows what a healthy
LUG is capable of simply by following direction already decreed in
various guides.

So, after the installfest conversation in PLUG IRC yesterday regarding
installfest matters, I noticed that a lot of the items discussed are
actually guidelines already presented in the Linux Installfest HOWTO.
  
Many improvements to the PLUG Installfest can be made by following
these guidelines.

Why are we beating a dead horse...

Many of these items are part of the HOWTO already.

I propose the Linux Installfest HOWTO be used as a guide for
discussion and installfests. Has everyone had a chance to look these
over?
Can we agree to use the HOWTO as a guideline?

I believe these installfest items will be on the table for discussion
tomorrow evening. Is that correct?

If so, I will be attending but not exactly at 7pm. You can either fill
me in or wait. I'm thinking 8ish at the latest.

As far as I am concerned, I think one thing we can improve and
hopefully agree upon is following the installfest HOWTO as a
guideline.

See you tomorrow!!!

:)

Marcia

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