...sorry... meant it to go to the list, thanks!!
To clarify you are seeing a trend towards browser based mobile apps?
On 2014-08-04 09:48, Paul Mooring wrote:
I wanted to send this to the list, because I think you make some
excellent points here. Also just for the record, I'm not necessarily
saying I think do web apps for smart phones is better. I'm merely
providing POV from someone working in the tech start-up space that
that's what the industry is currently leaning towards. I actually
prefer native apps myself.
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:51 AM, <techlists@phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.CompareBibleVersionsPackageOn 2014-08-03 19:14, Paul Mooring wrote:
This is a probably a longer and more involved conversation thanproliferation of tools like phonegap (http://phonegap.com/ [1]
you
think. There's a few primary factors in supply and demand for
app
developers:
1. Native vs HTML
There's a huge difference in the available supply of
developers and
companies currently equipped to make an html5 site that plays
nice
with both ios and android. I think we're likely to see a
[6]) and a
slow down of native apps as html apps eat that market share.
When
you consider currently ios requires objective-C and android Java,
you
have 2 languages with different tool chains and a more involved
development and release process competing against a very well
understood and super fast html/javascript ecosystem. In my
opinion
html/js will eat the mobile dev community as quickly and
dominantly as
it did for native Windows/OSX applications.
I've tried elance.com [2] [1] [1] and odesk.com [3] [2] [2] and
This is akin to the argument for browser based applications 10 - 15
years ago. You build an app that runs in a browser and there is no
deployment - just point your browser to the website.
Building browser based apps that rival desktop apps is not easy.
It is easier now that we have jQuery et al, however still not as
easy as building desktop apps with Visual Basic (VB). It could
take 10 - 20 times longer to build a really trick jQuery web app
that rivals a VB app. Unless of course you build widgets that can be
reused, then you spend a bunch of time the first go around and reuse
those widgets. Still a lot of time building those widgets.
I have not built any Android apps, however I suspect it might be
faster to build them than HTML/(MySql/MariaDB)/CSS/JavaScript
(jQuery). The down side is the different platforms. Which one do
you go with and what is the market implications of doing so.
Of course web apps require a server or at lease some cheap virtual
hosting depending on the needs of the app.
2. Expanding platforms
Currently ios and android own the market, but with microsoft,
mozilla, ubuntu, etc. all getting into the mobile os game it's
conceivable that the overall market could keep growing without
making
android/java skills a "must have".
This is down right ugly.
3. Better native app tooling
Writing full featured web applications 10 years ago was really
hard. Rails, Django, Laravel, etc. along with REST APIs and
json
revolutionized how we build web services making it a whole lot
easier. Then much more recently jquery followed by a million
javascript frameworks did the same for front ends. If native
android
development keeps growing similar tooling is sure to be built to
drastically reduce the entrance barrier.
It's still very time consuming and requires skills that come with a
learning curve.
We are still stuck in the 80's with C versus the 90's with Visual
Basic. You build your own widgets and development time is through
the roof.
Building mobile web apps takes a considerable amount of skill and
arguably two distinct or possibly three distinct skill sets - 1)
Programmers, 2) Designers, and 3) JavaScript / jQuery developers.
I assume building an Android app requires one skill set - Android
programming skills - a much smaller set of skills.
Overall I think it will become easier/cheaper/faster to build
mobile
apps, but I sort of doubt that will manifest itself in the form
of
most developers learning and rallying around Java and the Android
API.
Thank you for your thoughts. In a nutshell I think what you are
saying is there is high demand presently, the market will fragment,
the demand will level out, and we should consider web apps first.
The thing we have not talk about is marketing. I think this is
what is motivating Joe. If one builds browser base application and
you want to market it how do you do so? SEO is the main way. As
Google continues to refine their algorithm trying to get a website
to rank is getting more difficult. The alternative is to spend
lots of money on advertising. Both approaches require deep
pockets.
If Joe releases his Android app it might get some traction. And
it might be easier to market in the traditional way. The down side
is only part of the market can run the app.
My motivation for asking the question was purely wanting to know if
the high demand for Android developers will last. No one can know
for sure. While you say the market will splinter, I think Android
will be a strong contender. I do not see M$ as a real market player.
They have a lot of money and can put a dent in the market, however
they seem to miss the boat in so many ways. Linux is such a better
operating system and demands so much less resources to run
efficiently. Now Apple is a big dog!! And they seem to do a lot
of things right. Isn't OSX based on FreeBSD? Doesn't that make
them cousins with Linux/Android? Could we see the merging of tools
in this area?
Thank you for your thoughts!!
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 4:35 PM, <techlists@phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
Hi Paul,
One would think that Andriod programming is going to be with us for
year... decade at least. However that begs the question, what do
you (or anyone else) think the long term demand will be?
Increasing or decreasing?
Is there any barriers to entry like a nasty learning curve?
Specialized hardware? ETC...
I think I looked at the SDK about a year ago and as I recall it
looked to be Java based and then I think I was told of a C++ SDK.
IIRC - I think it was something that looked to take a little
effort to learn but not too bad.
I think i recall something about using JavaScript.....?
Thanks!
Keith
On 2014-08-03 16:09, Paul Mooring wrote:
Not to discourage you from trying to make this happen, but a bit of
perspective might help. Currently android/java developers are in
great demand, where I live the average salary is around $110,000/yr
or
roughly $2100/week. Having done a bit of contract/outsourcing
work
myself, I can tell you the experienced contractors/developers
intended
to lose as much as a weeks time on any project just trying to
understand what needs to happen and working with the stake holders
to
make changes along the lines of "one more simple thing". The take
away is there's going to be a minimum price/complexity to justify
taking on a project for a skilled/competent developer and if your
app
doesn't meet that benchmark you're going to have hard time
finding a
U.S. based competent developer interested in it.
This doesn't mean it's a bad idea or you shouldn't do it, just keep
in
mind that while you may be really passionate about your idea to
developers it's one of many offers to work on a contract for an
individual offering below market rates. That's a great fit
for
contractors in India, students or a dev trying to expand her skill
set
(web dev still learning mobile apps, etc.) but not so appealing to
established professionals.
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM, <joe@actionline.com> wrote:
Wanted: Android App Developer $??? Reward ...
How can I find a skilled/competent/reasonably priced Android App
Developer ... preferrably Arizona local or at least in the U.S.?
several
similar
sites, without
success. Mostly get proposals from India and Pakistan, etc.
I'm willing to pay up to $1,000 (perhaps more) to get the results
we need
for an app to read, scroll, flip pages, and search within a book.
Should
be relatively simple and straight-forward. Need to be able to add
to the
content and submit updates to the Google playstore myself.
See my first-attempt (which does not yet work as well as we need it
to)
here:
[4]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.CompareBibleVersionsPackage
[3]
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