On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 09:48:56AM -0700, Michael Butash wrote:

I'm curious to see if it's as broken as ubuntu seems to be these
days - feedback from adopters here appreciated.

I spent 3 days last week trying to get ubuntu working with 13.10 on
a fresh install, and since they're forcing use of a desktop cd, and
not producing alt installs now, found the install process to be
entirely broken.  A new laptop with only EFI boot apparently leaves
me few options for distributions, namely excluding debian which I
was going to attempt to migrate to avoid ubuntu's steady decline in
quality/stability.  Hopefully Valve heads this off using the
Ubuntu/Debian base.

I spent the weekend attempting to abandon Ubuntu and learning Arch
(or trying to) after the ubuntu fail, which wasn't exactly easy, and
simply finding just about every step requires some extensive
research of packages, lack of automagical setup, and sadly most any
ease found in Ubuntu I've apparently taken for granted.  Not to
mention I'm not finding pacman packages for most things I need/want
(doubt Steam is going to be supported on Arch anytime soon).

Maybe Valve injecting their two bits around Debian too will help
that, but I doubt it'll support more enterprise-y features like
raid, encryption, and lvm as part of the install features I need.
Then again, I wish Ubuntu would just put it back said features or
produce an alt cd again including them natively until someone fixes
their broken desktop installer.

Pardon the stupid question but why couldn't you disable uefi/secure boot
in your bios? What laptop is it?

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