I stayed out because so many are politically clueless- just too busy earning a living to pay attention or so dismayed @ what is going on they have given up.

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From: "Ted Gould" <ted@gould.cx>
To: <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Off Topic Discussions
Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2013 7:58 am



I would say that it is a list of Linux and related topics.

Things like programming in PHP, that'd be OT, but still fine on the list.  Even stuff that is political in nature, but related, like security and privacy, is relevant but OT.

Where I think it goes from OT to Off-List is when blame is being placed on a particular organization/person or a specific remedy is recommended.  For instance: "We can't have e-mail privacy because Nixon is a weenie" or "If Carter could speak Cuban better we could have more H1B visas."  Examples of specific actions would be: "You should join my political party so we can fight for..."

To be clear, this means that in previous situations 80% of the mail was fine and relevant.  But people stayed out of the conversation because they didn't want to be associated with that other 20%.  Let's cut that 20% up front and have conversations that everyone can participate in, which is probably more likely to educate on the issues too!

Thanks,
Ted

On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 17:15 -0700, keith smith wrote:
Ok,  let's get serious.  I think maybe we should define what this list is all about.

This list is about Linux and Linux related topics.

No politics - Ok.  Can be talk about H1B visa's?  Or would that be prohibited?

What else is prohibited?

What would be allowed but OT?

Installing PHP on a Linux box would be on-topic and programming in PHP could be allowed but off topic?

I'm being 100% sincere.  We all know I have posted lots of stuff that was political and about God.  And I know we have gotten to this point before.  We have even had people leave the list because they did not like other peoples political views or they did not want to hear about God.

PLUG is part of the community I live in.  So I often say what is on my mind.

The sad thing is our Gov is imploding right in front of our eyes and some or most on the list do not want to talk about it.  If you do not want to talk about it I understand.  Not another peep from me.

So lets talk Linux.  Who wants to start?

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