On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Ed <plug@0x1b.com> wrote:

also
https://jitsi.org/

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:00 AM, John Starta <john@starta.org> wrote:
> On May 28, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Doubtful, but is the google version of skype any better than skype in the seecurity arena?
>> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/05/13/us/politics/ap-us-ap-phone-records-subpoena.html?pagewanted=all
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
> The short answer is no.
>
> If you're so inclined, I encourage you to explore the larger issue starting with these articles:
>
> --> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/05/the_eyes_and_ea.html
>
> --> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/05/29/the_fbi_s_new_wiretapping_plan_is_great_news_for_criminals
>
> .,
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