On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:00 PM, jill <lists@bespokess.com> wrote:

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n 2013-05-09 08:35, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> Hans,
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:14 AM, der.hans <PLUGd@lufthans.com> wrote:
>
> > Am 07. May, 2013 schwätzte keith smith so:
> >
> > moin moin,
> >
> >
> > I'd like to thank all those who make PLUG possible. I know you have put
> >> in a lot of effort to keep PLUG alive over the years. I think I have been
> >> on the list for maybe 14 years. 1999??? I've enjoyed all the help and
> >> guidance I have received from the list members.
> >>
> >> Thank you all!!
> >>
> >
> > Having a community that is useful and valuable is the main thing I get out
> > of PLUG. It's good to get confirmation that it is useful and valuable to
> > others.
> >
> > Thank you for the thank you :).
> >
>
> I have had a difficult experience trying to speak with one of the main PLUG
> resources for about the last 3 years.
>
> Over the years now, when I approach him at any of the public venues. he
> holds up his left ring finger in full view of other members, at me from
> across the room, as a way to say "He's Married". This has consistently
> happened in front of other women in PLUG like Jill and Kaia (even at SCALE

Having been called out by name, all I can really say is I have no idea what you're talking about, Lisa. While I don't discount what you may have experienced, I've never witnessed anything like what you described. As such I can not support your story. If there is an individual who you feel is singling you out as a female though, I'd be happy to help mediate the issue, off-list.

I was not referring to you Jill. Have we ever been to SCALE together?

I have no problems with anyone in PLUG. Hopefully all who know me know that I like all y'all, and think you're a great bunch. And be sure I'll let you know with loud and clear snark and sarcasm if that ever changes! :)

- Jill

> with a large room full of my peers). I have never interacted personally in
> any dating way with this member. Others agreed that they consider it not
> only rude, but sexist, and something that would be appalling to Linus and
> Open Source gurus of my age, as well as long term friends like Chris DeBona
> (Google), Randal Schwartz, and others like Carla Schroder (OReilly), Greg
> KH (Linux Foundation). Additionally, my calls were not answered and my
> email were ignored.
>
> When I first started the Hackfests, I had a very difficult time finding a
> venue where networking and other resources allowed the type of Lab we
> wanted to do. I was "ordered" not to move the Hackfest. That was not
> similar to Linus' Benevelant Leadership model which I was accustomed in
> Oregon! I ignored it, as Carla and others recommended and continued to
> stay in the solution building a viable group and finding a good home for
> those who wanted such a lab.
>
> What would you have recommended I do? What steps would you expect any
> group voting on status or censure of such a member or officer?
>
> >

Thanks