Excellent points. I don't entirely believe 2000 was a bomb. But in all reality, I don't know anyone that used it. I saw it on a couple servers and replaced it with linux on a few others. It wasn't horrible, but come one! Windows ME on an NTOS kernel? I thought the frequent automatic reboots were a "feature" so I did not have to manually reboot Windows ME! Windows 2000 destroyed the only good "feature" Windows ME had! Nathan On Monday, December 31, 2012 09:30:20 AM Michael Butash wrote: > I'll agree, I thought 2000 was actually quite great. It was a server on > your desktop, yes, but coming out from ME at the time (shivers), it > fixed the perpetual memory leaks that were win95-98. It was the first > consumer-grade win os NOT to require nightly reboots, and thus began > uptimes of more than 2 days with it. > > I'm not so much down on their products as I am the company, and what > they stand for. Which sadly hasn't been much of anything in the past 10 > years. Balmer is about the creepiest and craziest leader I can imagine, > and the constant "drink the koolaid" chants from him for disastrous > product launches with promises revolutionizing the world (again) are a > joke anymore. They've simply run in place for far too long, the world > passed them by, and they failed to even notice. > > My last shot at loving a microsoft product was their smartphone, before > apple supposedly invented them. For a good 3 years (2005-2008) I used a > winmo phone, and for a time, it was good. I was with them from winmo3 > through 6.5, about 5 "major" releases, and saw literally the same bugs > and problems affect base usage across all of them. They simply never > fixed it, they only wrapped new ui's and new features across broken > kernels and a broken base os. The advent of the Iphone and Palm Pre, > even immature Android then made WinMo look comical in comparison. I'd > moved on and never looked back. > > What is comical is that Microsoft truly innovated in the smartphone > space originally when the only competition was really PalmOS devices, or > Blackberry. At some point, they simply gave up, let it languish, and > eventually faded out. They missed a huge opportunity to capture the > entire budding smartphone market, and now want desperately back in to > avoid obsolescence. > > Windows 8 is their attempt to make everyone want their smartphone (and > pump ads) by making the desktop user blur the line between their desktop > and a phone. Problem is nobody but them wants this in a productive > desktop. Maybe they should have looked across the table to see how well > that worked for Ubuntu with Unity. > > -mb > > On 12/31/2012 08:17 AM, Paul Mooring wrote: > > I don't think it's fair to call 2000 a bomb. It was possibly the best > > Windows OS ever released for the time it came out, pre-SP2 XP on the > > other hand was pretty awful. > > > > On a related note, why is it Linux folds are so down on anything MS puts > > out. I really prefer a *nix OS but I think there's things MS gets right > > that the larger Linux community should be learning from rather than > > laughing at (powershell anyone?). > > > > -- > > Paul Mooring > > Systems Engineer and Customer Advocate > > > > www.opscode.com > > > > From: Nathan England > > > Organization: NME Computer Services > > Reply-To: "nathan@nmecs.com " > >, Main PLUG discussion list > > > > > Date: Monday, December 31, 2012 4:21 AM > > To: Main PLUG discussion list > > > > Subject: Re: Windows 8 demo video parody > > > > That is definitely Microsofts M.O. > > > > Windows 95 was awesome > > > > Windows 98 was a bomb > > > > Windows 98 SE was awesome (it was more than just an update) > > > > Windows Millenium was a bomb > > > > Windows 2000 was a bomb (though some really liked it) > > > > Windows XP was awesome > > > > Windows Vista was a major bomb! > > > > Windows 7 was awesome > > > > Windows 8 was a ............. i'm leaning towards bomb here... > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Nathan England > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > NME Computer Services http://www.nmecs.com > > > > Nathan England (nathan@nmecs.com ) > > > > Systems Administration / Web Application Development > > > > Information Security Consulting > > > > (480) 559.9681 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 31, 2012 04:05:02 AM Derek Trotter wrote: > > > > I get the feeling windows 8 will turn out to be a bigger dud than vista > > or Bob. Anyone disagree? > > > > On 12/31/2012 03:39 AM, Nathan England wrote: > > > > That is hysterical! The first real computer I owned was a Compaq > > Presario 486DX2, 66MHz with 4 MB of ram and it came with Windows 3.1? > > and Bob. I thought it was a game or something and I could never figure > > it out, so I deleted it. It was later that day that I found the Yahoo! > > page for operating systems and discovered linux. I was hoping to find > > the Mac OS like I had at school to run on my pc. I had no idea they were > > such totally different beasts... That was a long time ago! > > > > I have Windows 7 Enterprise 90 eval on a partition of my workstation for > > testing and IE use when necessary, and Netflix. My wife will occasionaly > > use my laptop for checking her email in Firefox. I decided to see how > > realistic these stupid usability videos are with a fairly non-technical > > user who is not afraid to click around, so I installed Window(s?) 8 on > > my system and didn't say a word. Unfortunately, I was never able to > > surprise her with the system change, as she came into my office to ask > > me what all the grumbling and griping was about. I was laughing so hard, > > and then grunting and moaning, then laughing, she thought I was playing > > a game or something. So I had to explain what it was. > > > > It has been a week now that I have been using Windows 8. I installed my > > development tools on it and decided I would try it for a little while. I > > have two screens. Any of you experience this wonderful system with two > > screens yet? You think this new system is fubar when you only have one > > screen? Try two! > > > > I really do like the Netflix "app" that I was able to download from the > > app store. The interface rocks. As long as you don't use it. Are you > > serious? This thing is useless! Search for movies? you have to exit the > > app, use the "charms" bar, type in your search, then select the Netflix > > app to search in... Hello ! What usability expert approved this? > > > > Then it suffers from the typical windows "I don't know how long this > > will take to transfer, so I'll make something up" dialog box. When you > > use the netflix website and you click somewhere in the video timeline it > > will jump to that section and dispaly a bar or circle thing showing how > > much is buffering. In the netflix app it is obvious it is depending on > > windows for this info. It will start at 0 and quickly move to 100% then > > suddenly its at 50% and climbs to 100%, then it drops to like 15% and > > s....l....o....w...l...y... moves to about 27% and suddenly starts > > playing the video... That's IF it acutally seeks correctly. > > > > Windows 8 really is not usable as a real system. Cygwin is screwed and > > not even fun to use anymore. Putty is the same old ugly putty, nothing > > can make it worse. > > > > Try setting a different browser as the default and all the "apps" that > > are designed to use IE as the browser will fail, or at least kick you to > > the desktop with no obvious way back to your Modern UI. How many people > > know there is a windows button on their keyboards? If you don't know > > that, good luck click the 60 pixel wide button to get back to Modern!!! > > > > Just my .02 > > > > Nathan > > > > ---------------------------------------------------PLUG-discuss mailing > > list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to > > change your mail > > settings:http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- "I get my copy of the daily paper, look at the obituaries page, and > > if I’m not there, I carry on as usual."Patrick Moore > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss