----- Original Message -----
From: "keith smith" <klsmith2020@yahoo.com>
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:03:19 AM
Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

They teach hate and AZTLAN. They teach that this is their land - Mexico.
That is unAmerican and if I might say so, racist. What does La Raza
stand for? The Race!

Hmmm...I keep hearing that. I also hear it stands for "The Family". I guess context matters.

If I as a white man was to start a group called "The Race" or something
similar like the "Aryan Nation" which I denounce right here right now, I
would be labeled a racist.

Watch this video and tell me La Raza is not a problem -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqPo5ofk0s

Yup, I can say he's a problem.

Tell me we are not traveling full speed towards a race war?

Um...welcome to the world. There've been race wars ever since people noticed differences in appearance.

Instead of embracing the American dream these groups poison young minds
which will ultimately destroy lives.

Much like some other groups I could name.

This is America! I'm tired of the bellyaching and all the "poor me"
stuff. This is the land of opportunity. Don't expect a handout and don't
expect me to pay our bills. Get up off your lazy behind and make
something happen.

Wah.

I worked midnight shift as a police officer so I could attend college
during the day. It was hard but that is what it takes. You wants
something don't look to the government look to your God and your Savior
and get out and pay the price.

Good for you. Except for the God part. I'm more of a belief-in-self kinda guy.

This is America! If you do not like it here get out. You are dead weight
and you are holding those of us of who what REAL change, back. Beleive
me you have not experienced anything like a red blooded American that
feels he is being wronged. We will right what is wrong with this country
and that includes those who have come here illegally. I do not stand
alone. The surveys say 50 - 70% of America is behind Arizona. There is a
battle line being drawn. What side will you be on?

Actually, those of us who wanted change are mostly getting it. We voted this guy into office...by
a HUGE majority. A mandate, if you will. Also, A very large portion of the country liked slavery
and the thought of black people as less than a white person. Didn't make it right.
OR Constitutional.

If you are on the side of La Raza you will loose. This is America. If
you fly the Mexican flag expect trouble.

I'm against any group whose stated core principals include racism, elitism, exclusionism, hate,
intolerance, or the promotion of Windows based solutions (hows *that* for an On-topic attempt?).

I'm also smart enough to realize that a few bad apples does *not* make the group. If I wasn't, I'd
have to oppose most forms of religion (Church of the Subgenius excluded), the "Teabaggers", most Conservative
groups, some "liberal" groups, and, of course, anything put out by SCO.

As a Christian man I believe I am to live in peace with you as much as
you will allow.

My Bible says in Romans 12: 8 "If it is possible, as far as it depends
on you, live at peace with everyone.". That says it is up to you. I want
peace and revival in this land. If you however want trouble that is on
your head, and that is what you will get.

Blah, blah, blah. I don't recall Jesus (the deity, not the common spanish name) ever saying anything even
*close* to that. It sounds like your intolerant religion is itching for a fight.

------------------------ Keith Smith

--- On Mon, 5/17/10, David <david@damnetwork.net> wrote:

From: David <david@damnetwork.net>
Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 9:56 PM

Why? Serious inquiry. From my brief reading, they don't do anything many
other political groups do.

David

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
--Darth Vader

On May 17, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:

>
>
> David,
>
> Will you condemn and denounce the political groups La Raza and MEChA
> right now?
>
> -jmz
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM, David < david@damnetwork.net > wrote:
> Josh, I don't know you from Adam, but FU for calling me unAmerican.
>
> Yes, a personal attack. Just as the comment I'm referring to is.
>
> David
> "I find your lack of faith disturbing."
> --Darth Vader
>
>
>
> On May 17, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>
> >
> > Tuna,
> >
> > We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux
> > developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux. Just
> > because some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds
> > does not mean we terminate the discussion whenever we arrive at the
> > subject. Of course some people don't like it being discussed. Those
> > are the people who want to prevent action from being taken. There
> > are some of these people on this thread. How can we discuss anything
> > these days without addressing *what is right in front of our faces
> > every day*!?
> >
> > The fact is everyone, this country is in deep doo doo. It's not a
> > laughing matter. Anyone who was at the Sharpton rally will tell you
> > that these people are violent and they most certainly are
> > un-american. Our state is broke, as are many other states. Our
> > ability to maintain our technology sector will rely heavily on our
> > ability to stabilize ourselves politically. This means *your job*.
> > It might even be an opportunity to position ourselves profitably
> > relative to California. Discussion is absolutely critical to moving
> > in the right direction. Don't let people blow the issue out of
> > proportion or try to turn it into some racial battleground.
> >
> > That being said, you may now return to complaining about COX service
> > or whatever other stuff is 'on topic'.
> >
> > -jmz
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tuna < tuna@supertunaman.com >
> > wrote:
> > /| _______
> > / | __-- --__ |\
> > | \_-- --_ / |
> > | ) \/ |
> > \__/ /
> > ) ________________,-`
> > / 0 .. 0 |
> > / /| | ,
> > \ ,__ / | \/ |
> > \ ```````````````````)
> > \______________________/ ILLEGAL ALIEN IS ILLEGAL
> >
> > I created this ascii art myself, and hereby release it into the
> > public domain.
> >
> > Congrats, Zeidner.
> >
> > Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Sun May 16 12:54:33 -0700
> > 2010:
> > > Hello PLUG,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to
> > > the recent
> > > Los Angeles boycott of Arizona:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vo
> > > te-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html
> > >
> > > <
> > > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-v
> > > ote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html> Hopefully
> > > they will choose Linux.
> > >
> > >
> > > -jmz
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
>
> --
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