I would not say Sheriff Joe is a clown.  He is dealing with an area that has been reported to the the kidnap capital of the world.  Most of those being kidnapped are illegals.  Some are tortured and murdered.  Our Sheriff has a touch job.  If more commanders of law departments were like him we might have a better handle on things.  If you don't want anything to do with Joe then don't break the law.  I don't see how he is taking advantage, he is doing what the people want. Now Phil Gordan is another story.

I would agree with your assessment with big business buying the media and the politicians.    Solution: make our politicians accountable. The Tucson City Council wanted to play hard ball with the citizens by cutting a large number of officers and fire fighters.  They changed their mind after a recall petition was filed.  We just have to be diligent and stay diligent.   ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Mon, 5/17/10, Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com> wrote: From: Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com> Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts? To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 5:04 PM On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 16:24 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >   I think thats why they made the media $h!tstorm.  It poses a huge > threat to them, because the fact is, removing illegals is going to be > highly beneficial to our local economy.  It's much better to be > employing tax paying American citizens.  Add to that the related > problems of crime, drugs, etc. its a clear win for Arizona.  They > don't want a domino effect happening.  It's utterly ridiculous to be > paying out so much in unemployment while also paying social service > subsidies to non-Americans who work the jobs the unemployed would > have.  Gov. Arnold's solution to the problem: cut all welfare.  If I > were a non-billionaire legal Californian, I would be utterly furious. >  California is quickly degrading, hopefully if we keep doing what > we've been doing for the past month or so, we'll be ok.  Actually, > we'll be a very desirable place to live (this means your house is > worth more). ---- I guess I don't understand what any of this has to do with Linux and why it's being discussed except to provide a barometer of people's ability to analyze what has been happening and of course their political views. I would prefer that this entire thread just die. FTR - there's been a war on drugs for 40+ years and it hasn't stopped it. In fact, it's much worse today than ever. A huge number of these so called 'illegals' have left the country, there is no work. Check out all of the 'For Rent' apartments in traditionally Mexican areas - they can't give them away. The problem Arizona has is mostly a perceptual problem because of clowns like Sheriff Joe, Andy Thomas and others who use their power poorly and thus the rest of the country is over-reacting to Arizona's over reaction but the perceptual problem is that the police in Arizona will use this new law to justify profiling and anyone who understands things like DWB understands the problems with profiling. It's not just California and Arizona that are disintegrating - it's the entire country because big business has seized control and the money they can toss around to manipulate politicians, media, laws, etc. have made a complete mess of everything. The truth is that prosperity in America has always been built on the backs of cheap labor and chasing people back to Mexico will do little to bring prosperity to America. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.