Has anyone ever heard of:

- Illegal search and seizure.
- Probable cuase
- Innocent until PROVEN guilty
- should FEDEX packages be perused by the gov without a warrant?
- should the U.S. Mail be perused by the gov without a warrant?
- should cb communications be perused by the gov without a warrant?
- should smoke signals be perused by the gov without a warrant?
- should internet traffic be perused by the gov without a warrant?
- should the ladies afternoon quilting session conversation be perused by the gov without a warrant?

Just because it can be done with great ease doesn't mean it should be done!
I can't help but wonder what Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, etc. etc
would think of us "We the people" ie the government allowing this to happen to US!

Is our internet or any other form of communication guilty until proven innocent?

Government monitoring of ANYTHING without a warrant constitutes illegal search.

THINK ABOUT THE DIRECTION "We the People" ie the government, are heading! really THINK about it!

Lynn

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com> wrote:

any astute observer knows that this is *at the least* a component of
telco politics in the US.

-jmz

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:23 PM, keith smith <klsmith2020@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I think they want to control the Internet so the can stop our ability to
> communicate.
>
> Lookout the may go after Ham radio operators next.
>
> ------------------------
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: interesting article re. new regulations for internet security
> professionals
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 2:01 PM
>
> a good clip w/ Jay Rockefeller on CSPAN :
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS4uJeMs0Yc
>
> -jmz
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Lisa,
>>
>> Im not sure if youre really capturing the spirit of this proposal.
>> Jay Rockefeller has been trying to find a way to put controls on the
>> internet for years. Of course were told that it's for our own safety,
>> and to reduce 'systemic risk'. What its really about is inviting the
>> government into the management of our communications infrastructure
>> (hardly a new theme in American history).
>>
>> -jmz
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Lisa Kachold <lisakachold@obnosis.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> just thought some here might find this informative:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://musings.denninger.net/archives/198-The-Constitution-Dies-To-Thunderous-Applause.html?ref=joshuazeidner.com
>>>>
>>>> -jmz
>>>
>>> I read the purpose of the bill, which is:
>>>
>>> To ensure the continued free flow of commerce within the United States
>>> and with its global trading partners through secure cyber communications,
>>> to provide for the continued development and exploitation of the
>>> Internet and intranet communications for such purposes, to provide for
>>> the development of a cadre of information technology specialists to
>>> improve
>>> and maintain effective cyber security defenses against disruption,
>>> and for other purposes.
>>>
>>> I did see Denniger has some real person interests he feels threatened
>>> here,
>>> however, I don't read any of his fears outlined in the link you provide
>>> from
>>> the actual "working draft" pdf [careful opening a PDF is a serious
>>> security
>>> risk].
>>>
>>> I have worked my whole life in this security systems economy of profit,
>>> and
>>> much as I hate loss of what we once fancied as "freedoms", we all saw the
>>> writing on the wall with any "information technology", so I have to agree
>>> wholeheartedly (after working contract for the Department of the Army)
>>> that
>>> these measures are certainly overdue and the budget set forth too little
>>> too
>>> late.
>>>
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