---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Michael Date: Mon, May 12, 2025 at 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Running Win10 after end of life To: https://oldcomputers.net/sx64.html though I don't remember it as being an SX64. On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 8:45 AM Michael wrote: > that attache was not it. it was a meta;lic gray color case with like a > three inch monitor. very similar to the attache. only one floppy drive > though. > > On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 9:39 PM wrote: > >> I do not recall. I think it might have been something like 13 to 14 >> inches... Was given an attache Otrona >> https://www.oldcomputermuseum.com/attache.html circa 1986 by a manager >> who said "you are the only one who knows what to do with this thing". I >> was taking programming at the local JC so he thought I knew more than >> anyone else... I mention if because it was a portable that weight a lot >> and had a built in 4 inch screen. >> >> >> >> On 2025-05-11 18:27, Michael wrote: >> > Commodore 64 days? Did you have that 64 with the little monitor? The >> > forerunner to the laptop? >> > >> > On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 8:24 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> > wrote: >> > >> >> On 2025-05-10 20:53, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> >> >> >> Thanks Eric!! >> >> >> >> My first M$ product was DOS 3.1. As I recall, and it has been a few >> >> >> >> years, 2.11 was still out there. That was around 1986.... >> >> >> >> I got to see a lot since my commodore 64 days... >> >> >> >> Still do not understand how an Apple is less vulnerable when not >> >> being >> >> upgraded. I know most attacks are om M$ and the Web.... However.... >> >> >> >>> Keith, >> >>> >> >>> There is the realization in the apple community that everyone >> >> will, at >> >>> some point, be forced to upgrade. There isn’t a lot of noise >> >> simply >> >>> because it is already a known fact (and apple doesn’t charge for >> >> OS >> >>> upgrades). MS got into a lot of trouble and started losing gobs of >> >> >> >>> money when they tried to insist that everyone pay for OS upgrades >> >> on >> >>> every upgrade. Honestly, if it were up to me, I would have the dev >> >> >> >>> teams for both apple and MS working on solving all the old bugs >> >> that >> >>> never seem to go away, regardless of major version. There are some >> >> bugs >> >>> in both OS environments that go back to very early days of each >> >> (in the >> >>> case of windows, a few such bugs go back as far as the msDos based >> >> >> >>> systems using win 3.1). >> >>> >> >>> Oh, and as for MS demanding upgrades, they are part of the same >> >>> consortium that brought you the extensible firmware interface and >> >> are >> >>> also involved heavily in the trusted platform module project >> >> (which is >> >>> why win11 might not install on machines older than some >> >> pre-described >> >>> date). Also, MS does sell their OS in the retail markets for those >> >> who >> >>> custom build their own machines. However, their biggest money >> >> maker >> >>> happens to be the licensing scheme they use (and volume licenses >> >> can >> >>> cost as much as $2,000 a unit yearly for corporate environments). >> >> That >> >>> also applies to government contracts (ever been to the SSA or even >> >> the >> >>> state dept of economic security? Virtually every desktop is a >> >> windows >> >>> machine with some kind of back end server setup for in house >> >> storage, >> >>> security, database and other things. >> >>> >> >>> Anyway, that’s my take on the whole apple vs. MS vs Linux >> >> contest that >> >>> has been going on since the early 2000’s. >> >>> >> >>> -Eric >> >>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Historical >> >> References >> >>> Dept. >> >>> >> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >> > -- >> > >> > :-)~MIKE~(-: >> > > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -- :-)~MIKE~(-: