Commodore 64 days? Did you have that 64 with the little monitor? The forerunner to the laptop? On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 8:24 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > On 2025-05-10 20:53, Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > Thanks Eric!! > > My first M$ product was DOS 3.1. As I recall, and it has been a few > years, 2.11 was still out there. That was around 1986.... > > I got to see a lot since my commodore 64 days... > > Still do not understand how an Apple is less vulnerable when not being > upgraded. I know most attacks are om M$ and the Web.... However.... > > > > Keith, > > > > There is the realization in the apple community that everyone will, at > > some point, be forced to upgrade. There isn’t a lot of noise simply > > because it is already a known fact (and apple doesn’t charge for OS > > upgrades). MS got into a lot of trouble and started losing gobs of > > money when they tried to insist that everyone pay for OS upgrades on > > every upgrade. Honestly, if it were up to me, I would have the dev > > teams for both apple and MS working on solving all the old bugs that > > never seem to go away, regardless of major version. There are some bugs > > in both OS environments that go back to very early days of each (in the > > case of windows, a few such bugs go back as far as the msDos based > > systems using win 3.1). > > > > Oh, and as for MS demanding upgrades, they are part of the same > > consortium that brought you the extensible firmware interface and are > > also involved heavily in the trusted platform module project (which is > > why win11 might not install on machines older than some pre-described > > date). Also, MS does sell their OS in the retail markets for those who > > custom build their own machines. However, their biggest money maker > > happens to be the licensing scheme they use (and volume licenses can > > cost as much as $2,000 a unit yearly for corporate environments). That > > also applies to government contracts (ever been to the SSA or even the > > state dept of economic security? Virtually every desktop is a windows > > machine with some kind of back end server setup for in house storage, > > security, database and other things. > > > > Anyway, that’s my take on the whole apple vs. MS vs Linux contest that > > has been going on since the early 2000’s. > > > > -Eric > > From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Historical References > > Dept. > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- :-)~MIKE~(-: