Sorry. I was just excited by something I discovered On Sun, Jan 26, 2025, 9:19 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > On 2025-01-26 07:12, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > David Schwartz you are one of the smartest guys I know, I have deep > > respect for you. It is very disappointing that we are polar opposites > > when it comes to politics and religion. > > > > In reading this post I am biting my tongue. I would ask that we all > > refrain from getting into political discourse. > > > > I have lots of LAMP questions and all of you on this list have > > something to offer. > > > > As mentioned in a post yesterday I might currently be the most active > > member of this list. As said I have tons of LAMP questions. For > > > > Some how I hit send.... > > Last thought was for a number of reasons I was kind of absent from tech > from 2019 until about a year ago. My lat Linux experience was with > CentOS.... > > I did a few projects however my skills got stale. Thanks to the members > of this list and ChatGPT I am now able to configure Ubuntu into a LAMP > server that is configured with PHP-FPM. For me that was a huge step > forward. > > I need everyone of you and I do not want to get into any fights over > politics and/or religion. > > Keith > > > > > > > On 2025-01-26 03:51, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >>> On Jan 26, 2025, at 12:51 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss said on Sat, 25 Jan 2025 12:44:19 > >>> -0700 > >>> > >>>> And when claiming ChatGPT is giving you unbiased information > >>>> about > >>>> politics, especially anything that involves Trump, you’re > >>>> fooling > >>>> yourself. Trump says whatever he wants and doesn’t care because > >>>> he > >>>> conned the SCOTUS into ruling that he has “absolute immunity”. > >>> > >>> See. I knew the original post would come to the preceding. > >>> > >>> SteveT > >> > >> I guess that means you will NEVER, EVER, under ANY circumstances, > >> complain about the shift happening on large social media platforms to > >> stop fact-checking things. > >> > >> Because what we call the “truth” today is now a matter of > >> political convenience and leverage rather than rooted in anything > >> based in fact. > >> > >> And if facts and truth are unrooted, then why should you expect > >> anything on a platform like ChatGPT to be any different? > >> > >> Remember that this whole conversation started out with an assertion > >> that ChatGPT is a BETTER SOURCE OF FACTS AND TRUTH than traditional > >> news media. For media that cares about the FACTS and it’s own > >> INTEGRITY, then I’d say that’s total BS. My experience with these > >> AI platforms is that it’s VERY BUGGY in terms of accuracy. > >> Unfortunately, if you aren’t familiar with the subject matter, > >> you’re not going to know that. Or even if you are but you trust it > >> and don’t bother reviewing the material with a critical eye. > >> > >> FWIW, I was having an interesting conversation with ChatGPT about a > >> variety of financial topics, and at one point it showed a split-screen > >> type of display and asked my opinion about which response I thought > >> was better — the one on the left or the one on the right. It was the > >> same basic info just presented differently. > >> > >> i chose the one on the right, even though it had a blatent error in it > >> that was displayed correct on the left side: > >> > >> In a bullet item that related to a corporation making a loan to you as > >> an owner/employee, it said this regarding the interest paid on the > >> loan: > >> > >>> _You repay the loan with interest, and the business can even deduct > >>> the interest as a business expense!_ > >> > >> In fact, this was the most BLATENT error I found during the rather > >> lengthy discussion we had, but hardly the only error I encountered. (I > >> caught over a dozen, and I’m not a CPA or even an accountant.) > >> > >> As far as people who like to wave stinky allegations about “the > >> Biden crime family” taking a $10M bribe” — the one that a Senate > >> investigation turned up nothing but a guy who lied repeatedly to the > >> FBI, then owned-up and SAID IT WAS ALL A LIE — and yet don’t even > >> wince when someone mentions that Trump’s son-in-law — with > >> absolutely zero experience doing financial management — was handed > >> $2 BILLION to manage and given a 1.25% management fee ($25M), then I > >> rest my case. > >> > >> NEITHER OF THESE PREVIOUS STATEMENTS IS FACTUALLY DISPUTABLE. THE > >> FORMER IS A BLATENT LIE THAT’S REPEATED OVER AND OVER AS IF IT’S > >> TRUE, AND THE LATTER IS 100% FACTUAL THAT NOBODY WHO REPEATS THE > >> FORMER LIE WILL **EVER** DISCUSS! > >> > >> Facts don’t matter any more. It’s that simple. They're merely a > >> lever to be used by political opportunists. > >> > >> Just for contrast, the alleged $10M “bribe” paid to “Biden crime > >> family” is just a bit smaller than the ~$25M fee — paid ANNUALLY > >> — to the “Trump crime family” as part of a totally inexplicable > >> transaction that nobody in their right mind could rationalize given > >> the other “facts” in play (that are also totally ignored). > >> > >> I’M NOT TALKING POLITICS HERE!!!! > >> > >> This thred is about one simple question: DO FACTS STILL MATTER? > >> > >> There are people who will go to their death bed swearing that the LIE > >> in the case above is more compelling than the TRUTH. I know that. > >> Y’all know that. And I’m sure someone here might even be tempted > >> to try defending it. (That would only reinforce what I just said > >> here.) > >> > >> If 40 milloin people “can’t be wrong” about this, then who are > >> we to say ChatGPT isn't 100% factual AND more accurate than > >> traditional news outlets — in spite of the clear evidence to the > >> contrary? > >> > >> If you want to argue politics, then declare where you stand FIRST > >> about whether FACTS MATTER TO YOU. > >> > >> Because if they do, then don’t waste our time with lies. > >> > >> Most political discussions today are a waste of time because they have > >> become rooted in lies. And I am not interested in debating lies. > >> > >> -David Schwartz > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >