Wait. No shameless youtube channel plug?
all joking aside. What is your channel name?

Matthew

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:36 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> So to put this to rest, I broke out my old cheep dell laptop that is
> about 6 or 7 years old. It already had Kubuntu 20.4 installed.  I do not
> recall installing Kubuntu on that laptop. I've been playing with it for
> a day or so.  I am very much impressed.
>
> I pulled out my old Linux desktop and will be putting an SSD drive into
> it and installing Kubuntu on it.  It is an i5 with 4 cores and 4
> threads.  I upgraded it years ago to 16Gb of RAM.
>
> I expect Kubuntu will serve my needs.
>
> I fall into the camp of I just want my computer to work. And I would
> like to know more.  I'm an old guy and do not have the energy I used to.
>   I have a lot of goals and things I would like to accomplish.
>
> I prefer Linux over Microsoft.  I like making browser based business web
> apps using PHP/MySQL.
>
> My ultimate goal is to get my YouTube channel and blog going.
>
> Thank you to everyone for all of your input.  This was a good thread.  I
> sill have a ton of questions.  I use Linux to create LAMP servers. I
> plan on developing a working knowledge of NGINX (LEMP). I'm not a sys
> admin, I'm a programmer.  Given all that I would like to learn what I do
> not know and strengthen what I do know.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> On 2022-10-26 00:05, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 25 Oct 2022 06:30:34 -0700
> >
> >> I don't really have the time to reply to all of this,
> >
> > And yet here you are.
> >
> >> but I did want
> >> to reply to a couple of things.
> >>
> >>> Let them go back to windows. Not everybody belongs in the Linux
> >>> world.
> >>
> >> This. This right here is why you shouldn't be giving advice to
> >> newbies. This is the wrong attitude to have if you want to new people
> >> involved with Linux.
> >
> > Not all newbies. The ones who should go back to windows are the ones
> > not willing to learn Linux. Linux was never intended for the dweeb
> > whose computer interactions are email, web, and porn. Linux has always
> > been, and continues to be, for those who want to boss their computers,
> > not for those who want their computers to boss them.
> >
> > Did you just emerge from 1999, when we thought everyone would be using
> > Linux on the desktop and laptop in a couple years? It's 2022, and Linux
> > slaughtered Microsoft and Apple (and proprietary Unix) on the server,
> > but still has only a dedicated core of desktop users. The KDE, Gnome
> > and systemd you tout erect barriers to those desktop users who want to
> > boss their computers, and who want at least some POSIX.
> >
> > And don't forget that the lead developer on the systemd project now
> > works for Microsoft. What could *possibly* go wrong?
> >
> >
> >> New people are a good thing, they have new ideas
> >> and new directions that they want to go, and will take things to
> >> places never thought before. To push them out will create a dying
> >> community.
> >
> > Like I said, I recommend working with users willing to use Linux.
> >
> >> For new people, easier is better, hence GNOME or KDE being a good
> >> recommendation.
> >
> > There's absolutely nothing easy or intuitive about Gnome3. If you want
> > easy and intuitive, LXDE and LXQt are what you want.
> > Have you ever used them? XFCE is also in that category, although on
> > Linux (as opposed to OpenBSD) I've found XFCE glitchy, and XFCE isn't
> > light enough for an anemic computer, which is the computer a lot of
> > Windows users have available to dabble with Linux.
> >
> >> Once they get their footing then they can go and try
> >> more esoteric things as they get comfortable. Having them try to use
> >> straight openbox with a custom configuration is NOT the right advice
> >> for a new person.
> >
> > Please remember, I recommended LXDE and LXQt. My point of Openbox was
> > to say that if you want an interface that completely stays out of your
> > way the way you say Gnome3 does, my interface does that.
> >>
> >> Lastly, yes I did mean "integrated" and not "dependent" or
> >> "entangled".
> >
> > No matter what you *meant*, "integrated" implies entangled.
> >
> >> GNOME 3/4 in no way, shape, or form, REQUIRES systemd.
> >> You don't have to look far to prove this as it runs on FreeBSD, which
> >> is systemd-free. And no you don't have to jump through hoops to get it
> >> working, you install it and enable a couple services and poof it works
> >> just as well as on any other Linux system. GNOME also a first-class
> >> desktop environment on Void.
> >
> > Well, the Gentoo/Funtoo people sure had to jump through hoops to get
> > Gnome working with OpenRC, but yeah, you're right, as shown at
> >
> https://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=All&category=All&origin=All&basedon=All&notbasedon=None&desktop=GNOME&architecture=All&package=All&rolling=All&isosize=All&netinstall=All&language=All&defaultinit=Not+systemd&status=Active#simple
> >
> > Therefore, I can recommend Void to somebody who wants Gnome.
> >
> > SteveT
> >
> > Steve Litt
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