Thank you Brian."Just because you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean that the circus has left town."George Carlin -------- Original message --------From: plug-discuss-request@lists.phxlinux.org Date: 3/19/22 12:00 PM (GMT-07:00) To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org Subject: PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 201, Issue 8 Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.orgTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discussor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to plug-discuss-request@lists.phxlinux.orgYou can reach the person managing the list at plug-discuss-owner@lists.phxlinux.orgWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of PLUG-discuss digest..."Today's Topics: 1. Re: ot - gas price (Jim) 2. Re: ot - gas price (Jim) 3. Re: ot - gas price (Jim) 4. Thievery Corporation - The Richest Man in Babylon [Full Album Stream] --->>>> TGIF!! (greg zegan) 5. music for coders to relax... (greg zegan) 6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging (greg zegan) 7. PLUG and Politics (Brian Cluff) 8. Re: PLUG and Politics (Ed) 9. Re: ot - gas price (Ed) 10. Re: ot - gas price (Michael Butash) 11. Re: ot - gas price (Steve Litt)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:11:32 -0700From: Jim To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.orgSubject: Re: ot - gas priceMessage-ID: <5ac330fc-2f49-cf1e-976f-7d194c68a5e9@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"Careful what you ask for. :-)On 3/18/22 08:38, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:> honestly... I was just wondering what gas was costing in AZ. I didn't > want a political debate because most likely we are set in our beliefs. > I would love to get together for drinks but can't make it as I live > far from phoenix.>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 11:24 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss > wrote:>> And there it is.> Nice.> Everything I mentioned comes from Liberal Arts, not MAGA.> Jimmy Dore is Liberal Progressive.>>> On Friday, March 18, 2022, 06:58:56 AM MST, Thomas Cameron via> PLUG-discuss wrote:>>> Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics.> Don't email me directly again.>> On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:> Show them you get your news from only one side without telling> them... (I couldn't resist):> https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart> Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias> which is just opposite of Greg's.>> * https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias> * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/> * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/> * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/> * The convenience.org link seems to be> a blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly> balanced on bias from what I can tell.> The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with> prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office> ($2.33 on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because> he opened domestic oil production to offset when foreign> sources reduce the oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut> it down again.>> It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that> shutting down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in> development adversely affected the price of fuelin America.> When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from> closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since> we rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly> to America otherwise.I agree that it's not all Biden's fault...> our house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics> and I don't have a ton of faith in their leadership. Only 2 years> until it gets really ugly again.>> JD>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss> wrote:>> Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.>> https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html> https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/>> On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:>> Lets go Brandon!>> ---------------------------------------------------> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss>> ---------------------------------------------------> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> ---------------------------------------------------> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss>>>> -- > :-)~MIKE~(-:>> ---------------------------------------------------> PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:12:43 -0700From: Jim To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.orgSubject: Re: ot - gas priceMessage-ID: <88d257ff-969d-514e-93a0-96de47e8c8b6@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowedSome say you can save on gas by riding a bicycle. You can also ride a horse and taunt people at the gas station like this guy.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9DwjwCMtTn0------------------------------Message: 3Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:20:19 -0700From: Jim To: Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss Subject: Re: ot - gas priceMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"After the good manners and courtesy shown in your reply, I had to make a reply of my own. It's true that on day 1 of the Biden administration Biden stopped work on the Keystone pipeline and stopped most drilling on government land, and imposed stricter regulations on the rest. If he hadn't done this, gas would be cheaper. Besides, there is more harm done to the environment when oil comes from the middle east. Ships have to burn more oil to bring it here. Also pipelines are a more efficient way to move oil. So Biden did have a role to play in the current price of gas.Have a nice day.On 3/18/22 06:58, Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss wrote:>> Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics. > Don't email me directly again.>> On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:>> Show them you get your news from only one side without telling >> them... (I couldn't resist):>> https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart>> Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which >> is just opposite of Greg's.>>>> * https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias>> * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/>> * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/>> * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/>> * The convenience.org link seems to be a>> blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly balanced>> on bias from what I can tell.>> The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with>> prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33>> on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because he opened>> domestic oil production to offset when foreign sources reduce the>> oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut it down again.>>>> It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting >> down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development >> adversely affected the price of fuelin America.>> When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from >> closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we >> rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to >> America otherwise.I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our >> house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics and I >> don't have a ton of faith in their leadership. Only 2 years until it >> gets really ugly again.>>>> JD>>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss >> wrote:>>>> Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.>>>> https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html>> https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/>>>> On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:>>> Lets go Brandon!>>>> --------------------------------------------------->> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss>>>> ---------------------------------------------------> PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 4Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 23:44:07 +0000 (UTC)From: greg zegan To: Main PLUG Discussion List Subject: Thievery Corporation - The Richest Man in Babylon [Full Album Stream] --->>>> TGIF!!Message-ID: <383533519.790591.1647647047654@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Thievery Corporation - The Richest Man in Babylon [Full Album Stream]| | | | | | | || | | Thievery Corporation - The Richest Man in Babylon [Full Album Stream] | | |-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 5Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 00:09:14 +0000 (UTC)From: greg zegan To: Main PLUG Discussion List Subject: music for coders to relax...Message-ID: <1387529290.793768.1647648554660@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Tycho - Full Performance (Live on KEXP)| | | | | | | || | | Tycho - Full Performance (Live on KEXP) | | |-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 6Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 00:11:38 +0000 (UTC)From: greg zegan To: Main PLUG Discussion List Subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debuggingMessage-ID: <1460096783.793651.1647648698298@mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 7Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:28:04 -0700From: Brian Cluff To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: PLUG and PoliticsMessage-ID: <7e20a9f3-e1d6-1676-577b-703bdd8a99c0@snaptek.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowedThis is a place for discussing Linux and subjects surrounding Linux. This is not the proper place for general political discussions.No matter where you fall politically, you are going to offend around 1/2 the people on this mailing list.Please take the Political discussions some place else where they are more appropriate.Brian CluffPhoenix Linux Users Group------------------------------Message: 8Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 19:19:35 -0700From: Ed To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: PLUG and PoliticsMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"+1On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 6:36 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss wrote:>> This is a place for discussing Linux and subjects surrounding Linux.> This is not the proper place for general political discussions.> No matter where you fall politically, you are going to offend around 1/2> the people on this mailing list.>> Please take the Political discussions some place else where they are> more appropriate.>> Brian Cluff> Phoenix Linux Users Group>> ---------------------------------------------------> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss------------------------------Message: 9Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 19:29:55 -0700From: Ed To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: ot - gas priceMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"Michael, AAA does a good job of tracking gas prices -https://gasprices.aaa.com/On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:20 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:>> After the good manners and courtesy shown in your reply, I had to make a reply of my own. It's true that on day 1 of the Biden administration Biden stopped work on the Keystone pipeline and stopped most drilling on government land, and imposed stricter regulations on the rest. If he hadn't done this, gas would be cheaper. Besides, there is more harm done to the environment when oil comes from the middle east. Ships have to burn more oil to bring it here. Also pipelines are a more efficient way to move oil. So Biden did have a role to play in the current price of gas.>>> Have a nice day.>> On 3/18/22 06:58, Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss wrote:>> Sincerely - fuck off with the bullshit MAGA hat wearing politics. Don't email me directly again.>> On 3/17/2022 10:23 PM, JD Austin wrote:>> Show them you get your news from only one side without telling them... (I couldn't resist):> https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart> Looks like you're living in an echo chamber of mostly one bias which is just opposite of Greg's.>> https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias> https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/> https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/> https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/> The convenience.org link seems to be a blog of some sort for the NACS magazine. It seems mostly balanced on bias from what I can tell.> The reason "Donald Trump was a relative success story, with prices climbing a mere 6 cents during his time in office ($2.33 on Jan. 23, 2017; $2.39 on Jan. 25, 2021)." is because he opened domestic oil production to offset when foreign sources reduce the oil supply for our refineries. Biden shut it down again.>> It doesn't take a huge stretch of logic to understand that shutting down domestic crude oil in place and pipelines in development adversely affected the price of fuel in America.> When Biden shut down domestic oil and pipelines to get oil from closer sources we lost all the control he had over the topic since we rely on foreign sources which might not really be so friendly to America otherwise. I agree that it's not all Biden's fault... our house and senate made a mess of this country playing politics and I don't have a ton of faith in their leadership. Only 2 years until it gets really ugly again.>> JD>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 7:05 PM Thomas Cameron via PLUG-discuss wrote:>>>> Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot.>>>> https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/dont-blame-biden-for-gas-prices.html>> https://www.convenience.org/Media/conveniencecorner/Does-the-President-Control-Gas-Prices>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/10/fact-check-higher-gas-prices-due-national-and-seasonal-demand/5253346001/>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/09/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-biden-gas.html>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/>>>> On 3/17/22 17:12, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:>>>> Lets go Brandon!>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------->> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss>>> ---------------------------------------------------> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss>> ---------------------------------------------------> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss------------------------------Message: 10Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 00:20:38 -0700From: Michael Butash To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: ot - gas priceMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Don't like gas prices? Guess you could always try your luck with thisapproach...https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/19/gas-pumps-insecure-typical-router/Wouldn't surprise me to find out those things hang out on probably insecurewireless at the more janky stations that can't be bothered or too cheap torun ethernet drops out there to the pumps.-mbOn Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 7:30 PM Ed via PLUG-discuss wrote:> Michael, AAA does a good job of tracking gas prices -> https://gasprices.aaa.com/>-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: ------------------------------Message: 11Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2022 04:27:13 -0400From: Steve Litt To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.orgSubject: Re: ot - gas priceMessage-ID: <20220319042713.13d3db2b@mydesk.domain.cxm>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCIIMichael via PLUG-discuss said on Thu, 17 Mar 2022 15:46:57 -0400>What is gas going for in arizona? It is around 4 a gallon in florida.>>-- >:-)~MIKE~(-:Hey :-)~MIKE~(-: , I sent you to /dev/null a few years ago then pulled you out because Ifelt sorry for you. Now I'm sending you there again, forever. Eitheryou're so friggin stupid that you didn't suspect your stupid questionwould inevitably cause a left/right civil war flareup that we've so faravoided on most Linux lists, or you're one of the most destructivetrolls I've ever seen, sabotaging a very good *Linux* list.Don't bother responding to me: I've already /dev/nulled anything comingfrom your email address, direct, or via any mailing list.Oh, and one last thing: As I used to do with all your other trivialquestions whose answers were a web search away:https://lmgtfy.app/#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=price%20of%20gas%20in%20arizonaSteveTSteve Litt March 2022 featured book: Making Mental Models: Advanced Editionhttp://www.troubleshooters.com/mmm------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.orgTo subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss------------------------------End of PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 201, Issue 8********************************************