I'm in the opposite realm - was a programmer and kind of an admin
(glorified script kiddie?), went into networking, and then got back into
programming, because it was a "thing" to automate networks. It's now my
full time job, and I enjoy it a ton. The network to code slack is full of
network engineers who have become that new hybrid. Sorry if that doesn't
help from the opposite direction!

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.scott@gmail.com


On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 7:57 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> With the whole transition to libera.chat for irc and taking some time off
> from work, I've taken to hanging out there a bit, and this is a common
> thing I'm seeing in the #networking chat.  I'm seeing a lot of devs showing
> up in #networking asking for hosting/sysadmin stuff lots, ala "how to make
> apache do x", or "how do I automate my servers", which I find weird as
> that's sysadmin stuff normally (to me).  Oddly enough it's a pretty diverse
> crowd of folks that are kinda hybrids, done networking, done sysadmin, some
> are php/web devs, etc, but lots of system-centric stuff so it tends to work
> out for info seekers.  I suspect if I went into #sysadmin or like, they'd
> know nothing of networking, but #networking tends to come from diverse
> enough roots they do this stuff too, or did at one point at least.
>
> Moral is, there's a lot of crossover these days, and folks need to know
> some dev, some sysadmin, and some networking.  The line blurs, but people
> can't just be like "well, I only do mssql or active directory" anymore,
> they're replaceable with shell scripts.  I've done unix/linux, some dev,
> some dba, some windoze, everything between along with a strong focus and
> experience in networking, and it's paid dividends as I figure out what
> others don't as a result.
>
> Comparing to the OSI model of networking, I work mostly layer 1-7 up, but
> most dev/app/sysadmins work layer 7 down, and really have no idea below
> around layer 5 or so, much to their detriment.  Best these days to be well
> versed across the board to some extent.  Take a ccna class online, even if
> you don't get the cert, you'll probably understand things a lot more to
> make your life easier.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:11 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've watched more than a few of NetworkChuck's videos.  Here he is on a
>> programmer's channel talking about programmers learning networking.
>> I've always thought all web programmers have some Linux skills, and
>> maybe that is not what he is talking about.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlN-vMF13QY&t=0s
>>
>> How does this work for hosting admin?  Is there the same demand in the
>> hosting admin niche?  If so what exactly should one know and what types
>> of jobs can they get?
>>
>> He mentions Python - is that the programming language to know for server
>> automation?  He also mentioned Perl.  I thought Perl was/is dead?
>>
>> I'm a PHP developer and find a lot of hosting tools such as Plesk and
>> ISPConfig are written in PHP and use MySQL.
>>
>> Your Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
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