>> Micheal. Makes me wonder what hardware or architecture you are using (hardware) There might be some things that you can do based on that. My current hardware is a plane dell xps15 9350 (~2015), i7 proc, 1tb nvme, and loaded out with 64gb ram. It's got an nvidia gpu, but I've never gotten prime as a hot mess to work, so mostly rely on the intel gpu. Before this my desktop, was a dell precision 7950, dual xeon socket/cpu, 20/40 cores/threads, 128gb ram, dual raid1 nvme disks, and an nvidia 1070gtx gpu. I'm willing to throw some money at a problem obviously to make it go away, I just can't seem to still make them go away. My next system will likely be a ryzen/threadripper. -mb On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 8:19 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Micheal. Makes me wonder what hardware or architecture you are using > (hardware) There might be some things that you can do based on that. > > I know and Machines have felt very different in memory management than > intel. Even their Bulldozer architecture they really still felt very > snappy. And threadripper takes this to a new level with quad-channel > memory. Epyc takes it even further with 8 channel memory. while it may not > resolve the way it is handled it may lessen the impact. > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 7:45 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> Yeah, It isn’t just on linux where some of these apps have issues. OS X >> also sees a lot of the same issues (I never maintain more than 4 open tabs >> of Chrome and I don’t bother with Firefox as it’s an accessibility >> nightmare under VoiceOver screen reader). About the only DM’s in linux >> where the ORCA screen reader and braille facilities work best are GTK based >> ones (like Gnome, FVWM, and some others) and won’t even work at all in KDE >> without significant modifications to the KDE environment (and even then, >> with only partial accessibility). >> >> The reason I bring up the accessibility issue is that these memory hogs >> can have detrimental effects on screen reader and braille display >> performance Most times on a linux system, I will simply just use either >> ORCA for the DM or go to Emacsspeak for console mode and use Lynx (or one >> of its variants) for web browsing. Much smaller footprint. As for office >> apps, I haven’t found anything out there that isn’t a memory hog in one way >> or another. So, I do what I can to minimize those issues. About the only >> thing I have been unable to do is have the screen reader read remotely fed >> apps (forwarded X display types) They appear only as a graphic interface >> with no content inside of them. Considering the versatility of Linux and >> most Linux based apps, this is a glaring issue that seriously needs to be >> resolved. >> >> Btw, as far as memory issues goes, I really wish we could go back to the >> days of programming when everything had to be tight to fit into a small ram >> footprint. Sure, those programs were a little less user friendly, but they >> didn’t have nearly the bugs or the bloat of current apps. >> >> Just my 2 cents worth. >> >> -Eric >> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Memory allocation and >> configuration Dept. >> >> >> >> On Nov 8, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >> Inline here: >> >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 6:28 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:48:40 -0700 >>> Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Chrome/Chromium and Firefox are absolute pigs. I finally tamed Firefox >>> ty setting it to drop all cache and other stuff upon exit, and then I >>> shut down all instances of Firefox every day. >>> >> >> They all are pigs I find. Tried Brave, Chrome, Chromium, and keep ending >> up back at firefox as a lesser of evils. Chrome is the new IE, so now I >> *need* it occasionally for plugins. I've been using tab suspenders across >> each, doesn't help much. >> >> My problem is I have to keep different profiles for different companies I >> work with, usually no less than 4-6 at a time, 2 at least for my personal >> gsuite and work. Mostly I do so for M$ O365/Teams, as they can't figure >> out how to make it work across organizations or seemingly comprehend why >> anyone would. Hint: Consultants that work for 5-10 orgs at a time. Each >> profile just ends up hoarding ram, which ends up being 30-40gb at times on >> my system. >> >> I don't know how many VMs you run, but those eat up memory. >>> >> >> I have a mainstream Win10 build with visio and other windoze-y crap I >> need, 8gb of ram, and keep a few win10 ameliorated editions for clients to >> minimize footprint with 4gb. Usually only 2 windoze, 1 if I can. >> Occasionally a few other 2-4gb ram linux systems, but typically ~20gb for >> vbox and my vms. It's where all the other memory goes I have a hard time >> with, which I really can't identify. >> >> What the heck kind of editor requires 3-4GB RAM? That sounds crazy to >>> me. Why do you have a few dozen files open simultaneously? >>> >> >> Fine questions really, this tends to be where I'm bit odd. I've found >> whether using Pluma, Gedit, or even qqnotepad, they all tend to get a bit >> crazy with a lot of tabs. I presume things like undo memory, things like >> that are adding up, but I'm still like geez, really? >> >> Why so many? I mostly do network and security consulting, with config >> files from existing devices, resulting operational output extracted in >> text, across multiple orgs at a time. Not to mention configuration changes >> I'm making for template deployment off those, so it gets a bit crazy >> flipping between dozens of configs at a time. >> >> If I could find better ways to manage some of this, it would be nice, but >> seems everything just dumps this sort of thing into memory hoarding. >> >> Libreoffice is kind of a pig. Is there something else you can use? And >>> why a dozen or two simultaneous files open? This sounds like a workflow >>> nightmare. Do you mean one Libreoffice instance with 24 files open, or >>> a bunch of separate Libreoffices in VMs. If the latter, yeah, that's >>> going to burn a lot of RAM, even more than one instance with 24 >>> documents. >>> >> >> I often blame Libreoffice, only to kill it with like 20 spreadsheets >> open, and 30 write files and find it was using (only) around 4gb of ram. I >> take notes a lot in libre because it's restore on crash has proven pretty >> flawless vs., well anything else. I mostly prefer pluma for text input and >> notes, but no good restore. Tried qqnotepad that had a restore function, >> it was highly dysfunctional. >> >> >>> Ohhhh, KDE. I call that Krash, Delay, Expand. See >>> http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm . I use OpenBox, which >>> is a low-RAM, just-the-facts window manager. On every machine I ever >>> used KDE, performance was bad and on lower RAM machines, things ground >>> to a halt. >>> >>> Gnome and KDE are luxuries for folks with lightning fast processors and >>> huge quantities of RAM, who want their computers to perform like a 2015 >>> computer with 4GB RAM. >>> >> >> Yes KDE is a pain, but both pretty and functional. I like it, though it >> friggin' hates me. Tried Mate/Cinnamon, i3, xfce, others randomly, just >> never cared for most. >> >> My work and life on a single pc blend probably too much, but when I still >> can't seem to work functionally with 64-128gb of ram that simply no one >> else uses but me, I'm like wtf is wrong with my setup. >> >> >>> I'm running a 2014 computer: >>> * AMD A6-6400K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (dual core) >>> - 3.1Ghz dualcore >>> * 16GB RAM >>> * Openbox with dmenu and UMENU2 >>> >>> With no browsers open, this machine is is snappy as hell. With firefox >>> set to dump cache upon exit, as long as I do reasonable housekeeping on >>> tabs, and prophylactically close all firefox instances at least once a >>> day, everything's pretty good. >>> >>> That being said, this is a 2014 machine, so I'm soon buying a 3.6 Ghz 6 >>> core (65 watt) with 64GB RAM. This will give me more latitude in >>> running Chromium, which I need for Jitsi, and allow me less stringent >>> housekeeping in Firefox. >>> >> >> Perhaps this is just the price for working as I do. I also tend to keep >> things open to work perpetually as who needs work/life balance, so purging >> things would likely help. >> >> Trying to work as I do under windoze as a test, it just couldn't hang. >> Perhaps I expect too much of linux, but it's far more capable at least, >> though when it gets wonky, it does so fast. >> >> Thanks for the input here, I do appreciate it, as perhaps as said I am >> simply going about things a wrong way, thus the ask. >> >> >>> >>> SteveT >>> >>> Steve Litt >>> Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times >>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss