Inline here: On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 6:28 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:48:40 -0700 > Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > Chrome/Chromium and Firefox are absolute pigs. I finally tamed Firefox > ty setting it to drop all cache and other stuff upon exit, and then I > shut down all instances of Firefox every day. > They all are pigs I find. Tried Brave, Chrome, Chromium, and keep ending up back at firefox as a lesser of evils. Chrome is the new IE, so now I *need* it occasionally for plugins. I've been using tab suspenders across each, doesn't help much. My problem is I have to keep different profiles for different companies I work with, usually no less than 4-6 at a time, 2 at least for my personal gsuite and work. Mostly I do so for M$ O365/Teams, as they can't figure out how to make it work across organizations or seemingly comprehend why anyone would. Hint: Consultants that work for 5-10 orgs at a time. Each profile just ends up hoarding ram, which ends up being 30-40gb at times on my system. I don't know how many VMs you run, but those eat up memory. > I have a mainstream Win10 build with visio and other windoze-y crap I need, 8gb of ram, and keep a few win10 ameliorated editions for clients to minimize footprint with 4gb. Usually only 2 windoze, 1 if I can. Occasionally a few other 2-4gb ram linux systems, but typically ~20gb for vbox and my vms. It's where all the other memory goes I have a hard time with, which I really can't identify. What the heck kind of editor requires 3-4GB RAM? That sounds crazy to > me. Why do you have a few dozen files open simultaneously? > Fine questions really, this tends to be where I'm bit odd. I've found whether using Pluma, Gedit, or even qqnotepad, they all tend to get a bit crazy with a lot of tabs. I presume things like undo memory, things like that are adding up, but I'm still like geez, really? Why so many? I mostly do network and security consulting, with config files from existing devices, resulting operational output extracted in text, across multiple orgs at a time. Not to mention configuration changes I'm making for template deployment off those, so it gets a bit crazy flipping between dozens of configs at a time. If I could find better ways to manage some of this, it would be nice, but seems everything just dumps this sort of thing into memory hoarding. Libreoffice is kind of a pig. Is there something else you can use? And > why a dozen or two simultaneous files open? This sounds like a workflow > nightmare. Do you mean one Libreoffice instance with 24 files open, or > a bunch of separate Libreoffices in VMs. If the latter, yeah, that's > going to burn a lot of RAM, even more than one instance with 24 > documents. > I often blame Libreoffice, only to kill it with like 20 spreadsheets open, and 30 write files and find it was using (only) around 4gb of ram. I take notes a lot in libre because it's restore on crash has proven pretty flawless vs., well anything else. I mostly prefer pluma for text input and notes, but no good restore. Tried qqnotepad that had a restore function, it was highly dysfunctional. > Ohhhh, KDE. I call that Krash, Delay, Expand. See > http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm . I use OpenBox, which > is a low-RAM, just-the-facts window manager. On every machine I ever > used KDE, performance was bad and on lower RAM machines, things ground > to a halt. > > Gnome and KDE are luxuries for folks with lightning fast processors and > huge quantities of RAM, who want their computers to perform like a 2015 > computer with 4GB RAM. > Yes KDE is a pain, but both pretty and functional. I like it, though it friggin' hates me. Tried Mate/Cinnamon, i3, xfce, others randomly, just never cared for most. My work and life on a single pc blend probably too much, but when I still can't seem to work functionally with 64-128gb of ram that simply no one else uses but me, I'm like wtf is wrong with my setup. > I'm running a 2014 computer: > * AMD A6-6400K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (dual core) > - 3.1Ghz dualcore > * 16GB RAM > * Openbox with dmenu and UMENU2 > > With no browsers open, this machine is is snappy as hell. With firefox > set to dump cache upon exit, as long as I do reasonable housekeeping on > tabs, and prophylactically close all firefox instances at least once a > day, everything's pretty good. > > That being said, this is a 2014 machine, so I'm soon buying a 3.6 Ghz 6 > core (65 watt) with 64GB RAM. This will give me more latitude in > running Chromium, which I need for Jitsi, and allow me less stringent > housekeeping in Firefox. > Perhaps this is just the price for working as I do. I also tend to keep things open to work perpetually as who needs work/life balance, so purging things would likely help. Trying to work as I do under windoze as a test, it just couldn't hang. Perhaps I expect too much of linux, but it's far more capable at least, though when it gets wonky, it does so fast. Thanks for the input here, I do appreciate it, as perhaps as said I am simply going about things a wrong way, thus the ask. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss