Vendor (ie. not just Cisco) stencils mostly, and fine-grained drawing detail. I make fairly detailed drawings of networks, and I've never found anything that can fully emulate/replace visio for a number of reasons. They're just never *that* good at it. I've tried various online solutions like LucidCharts and others, but all are terrible for various reasons I've found, not from lack of trying. If I need to pull in random HP, Cisco, Arista, Fortinet, PAN stencils, most really don't know what to do with them, or worse break them horribly, or just crash. When I try to create granular connection points to ports, it can't work at that level of detail. When I try to import a visio with 20 layers per drawing for features, they have no idea what to do with them, or even replace with a comparable feature. I just go back to using visio, make customers happy, and get paid. Admittedly draw.io is new to me, but will check it out. I gave up after the last 3-4 cloud "visio replacements" I tried years ago. Damn microsoft again for buying visio. -mb On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 8:07 AM Seabass via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > > I tend to use draw.io for any visio style needs. > > What kinds of things do you find in visio that you don't find in other > software? > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 18:05:03 -0700 > From: Michael Butash > To: PLUG Phoenix List > Subject: Windoze Ameliorated Edition > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > Kind of interesting, I've been testing this lately, and love this inside my > linux-based virtualbox vm. I use linux as a full-time Arch OS, windoze as > a vm, but I need Visio as almost the defacto network engineer documentation > tool since 2000. Paying for Windoze licensing to only call me a pirate > every few months when I change my VM/hardware and for the past 15+ years of > using linux for everything, I'm tired > I found this on Linus Tech Tips, normally he's annoying, but this was > interesting . > I only use windoze for visio, project, or other things that really no good > alternatives exist for (still), so be it. This win10 ameliorated edition > is great for me, it runs almost like xp speed in doing what I need to do, > removing all the spyware/telemetry, with at least some modern security, but > since I don't even enable it's virtual nic, works great. I just share > files with local folders through the vbox plugins for file access. > Funny in light of news Microsoft contributing to the Linux kernel to make > windoze itself a proper hypervisor layer upon linux. It'll end up like > Android, another bastard running atop a linux kernel, with "alternative" > licensing means, but seeing I've paid the microsoft tax for 25 years now, > they owe me, not the other way around. > As someone that doesn't use microsoft, hates microsoft, wishes they'd sell > off visio to a proper company as the only thing I use windoze for, I'm > really liking this. Some quirks, but ping me on the side, I've got it > working nicely for visio and other things under windoze. > https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=windows+ameliorated+edition > -mb > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss