80 to 89 C yes that is bad. 7 bux in some thermal compound, some paper towels, and rubbing alcohol. I would look here if your fans are working but temps are absurd. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:05 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Do 80 is bad? Mine was at 89 when I first started it > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:48 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> This is a good point too, I actually just did this on my xps15 as well as >> they are known to be badly thermal pasted from the factory, and some years >> later, same thing as Stephen described. That wasn't too bad, redid the cpu >> and gpu with high quality stuff, and allowed me to do some mods with >> thermal tape some of the mosfet chips to the case others found works well >> too. >> >> This could be your cpu or gpu here that use large heatsinks. >> >> I also had a heatsink once pop off a southbridge on my mobo too that >> caused some havoc, and once on my dell server raid, thinking about my >> adventures in computing over the years. >> >> Moral of the story, heat kills. >> >> >> -mb >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 7:09 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >>> I just had to partially rebuild a friends computer because the thermal >>> compound used in their system had petrified. they went from 89C down to 30C >>> after I cleaned and replaced the compound. (Partial disassembly was >>> required to unmount the HSF *String of expletives censored* >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 7:07 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < >>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Agreed, and even more so, I have seen internal PSU fans die too, so >>>> make sure to check that. >>>> >>>> -mb >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:41 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss < >>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Are you sure all your fans are running, including in your power supply? >>>>> If you CPU fan secured properly and has good (Not dried out) thermal >>>>> paste on it. If you took your CPU fan off and it had some of that >>>>> thermal waxy stuff on it and you just put it back on, it's probably >>>>> not >>>>> conducting heat very well. I would take it back off and scrape all >>>>> that >>>>> stuff off and put some proper thermal compound on it in it's place. >>>>> >>>>> In my experience, if your computer is randomly locking up, it's >>>>> usually >>>>> heat related. Although it CAN be the power supply, usually power >>>>> supplies just tend to outright die and will refuse to turn on your >>>>> machine when they go bad. The other things are bad RAM and bad >>>>> software.... but if you've tested your ram and you haven't changed >>>>> anything software wise, I would look for a heat related issue. >>>>> >>>>> Brian Cluff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/12/20 7:49 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>>> > OK.... well, I ran stress and gearsglx and the computer ran fine for >>>>> > about 5 minutes and then it froze. so this means it is the hardware? >>>>> > so I guess.... is it the power supply? what else could it be? how can >>>>> > I verify or else is it a shot in the dark? >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:17 PM Michael wrote: >>>>> >> thanks for shaaring your experiances with me! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:58 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >>> That is about how my laptop was acting using the i915 driver vs. >>>>> the intel kernel mode driver... Maybe make sure you're not using that, by >>>>> default you shouldn't. I ended up with it trying to make prime gpu >>>>> switching work. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> It could be gpu related still, most browsers use hardware >>>>> acceleration that could be hitting it. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Try running glx-gears for a while in full-screen to see how it >>>>> acts if it dies when heating up. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I also had an older system that was locking up seemingly whenever >>>>> I'd hit the graphics. Turns out the gpu fan went bad, with ambient case >>>>> fans keeping it cool enough off the heatsink, but watching a movie or >>>>> something that hit the gpu, it would crash. Tearing it open it was then >>>>> obvious the fan wasn't working. Of course I couldn't find a fan that fit >>>>> the stupid thing, so I ended up buying a new gpu for it, all was well. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Only ever had one PSU that got wonky on me to crash intermittently >>>>> in some 25 years of building pc's, but it happens... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Also, boot up and in grub run memtestx86 on it, bad memory sectors >>>>> can cause grief too with intermittent locks, usually the more ram you >>>>> invoke, you'll hit the bad spot. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -mb >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 9:36 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss < >>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>> you know.... it seems that the first time of the day I start it it >>>>> >>>> runs a few minutes and then freezes. but upon subsequent restarts >>>>> >>>> everything is good. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:18 PM Michael wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have ssh installed on my system but to ssh into another system >>>>> you >>>>> >>>>> need ssh-server installed on your computer but I can't find it. I >>>>> >>>>> guess I'm wrong. What else do you need installed? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:03 PM Michael wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think my issue might also be grafix related because when it >>>>> first >>>>> >>>>>> started doing this the dark areas on my desktop picture would >>>>> turn >>>>> >>>>>> blue when it froze. I do have another system. Could you walk me >>>>> >>>>>> through solving the problem? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:11 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> It really could be about anything, hardware or software. >>>>> Unplug everything unnecessary, even usb things, and just see if it locks up >>>>> then. I've had psu's do this, video cards, ram, even usb devices cause >>>>> weird hardware-ish problems. Check dmesg and /var/log as well for >>>>> errors/events, could indicate a flaky device. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Also software - upgrading ram recently, I also updated my >>>>> system since I had to reboot anyways, and my pc began locking up every 2 >>>>> days. I thought the new ram perhaps was bad, but memtest looked ok. It >>>>> took some digging, but guess I picked up a bug in using an old intel >>>>> graphics driver inadvertently, removed that driver, and I've had 70 days of >>>>> uptime since. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> I had to get a bit creative to diag this, including sshing >>>>> into it from another system when it did lock up. Turns out it was graphics >>>>> related, just the display froze, but the system worked otherwise headless. >>>>> This led me to investigate graphics as a source of the lockups to fix at a >>>>> driver level. If you have another system available, I'd suggest that. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> -mb >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 6:36 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss < >>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> sometimes my computer freezes. is iut the power supply? >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> >>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> >>>>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> >>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> >>>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>>> >>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. 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