I just had to partially rebuild a friends computer because the thermal compound used in their system had petrified. they went from 89C down to 30C after I cleaned and replaced the compound. (Partial disassembly was required to unmount the HSF *String of expletives censored* On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 7:07 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Agreed, and even more so, I have seen internal PSU fans die too, so make > sure to check that. > > -mb > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:41 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> Are you sure all your fans are running, including in your power supply? >> If you CPU fan secured properly and has good (Not dried out) thermal >> paste on it. If you took your CPU fan off and it had some of that >> thermal waxy stuff on it and you just put it back on, it's probably not >> conducting heat very well. I would take it back off and scrape all that >> stuff off and put some proper thermal compound on it in it's place. >> >> In my experience, if your computer is randomly locking up, it's usually >> heat related. Although it CAN be the power supply, usually power >> supplies just tend to outright die and will refuse to turn on your >> machine when they go bad. The other things are bad RAM and bad >> software.... but if you've tested your ram and you haven't changed >> anything software wise, I would look for a heat related issue. >> >> Brian Cluff >> >> >> On 7/12/20 7:49 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> > OK.... well, I ran stress and gearsglx and the computer ran fine for >> > about 5 minutes and then it froze. so this means it is the hardware? >> > so I guess.... is it the power supply? what else could it be? how can >> > I verify or else is it a shot in the dark? >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:17 PM Michael wrote: >> >> thanks for shaaring your experiances with me! >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:58 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss >> >> wrote: >> >>> That is about how my laptop was acting using the i915 driver vs. the >> intel kernel mode driver... Maybe make sure you're not using that, by >> default you shouldn't. I ended up with it trying to make prime gpu >> switching work. >> >>> >> >>> It could be gpu related still, most browsers use hardware >> acceleration that could be hitting it. >> >>> >> >>> Try running glx-gears for a while in full-screen to see how it acts >> if it dies when heating up. >> >>> >> >>> I also had an older system that was locking up seemingly whenever I'd >> hit the graphics. Turns out the gpu fan went bad, with ambient case fans >> keeping it cool enough off the heatsink, but watching a movie or something >> that hit the gpu, it would crash. Tearing it open it was then obvious the >> fan wasn't working. Of course I couldn't find a fan that fit the stupid >> thing, so I ended up buying a new gpu for it, all was well. >> >>> >> >>> Only ever had one PSU that got wonky on me to crash intermittently in >> some 25 years of building pc's, but it happens... >> >>> >> >>> Also, boot up and in grub run memtestx86 on it, bad memory sectors >> can cause grief too with intermittent locks, usually the more ram you >> invoke, you'll hit the bad spot. >> >>> >> >>> -mb >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 9:36 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >>>> you know.... it seems that the first time of the day I start it it >> >>>> runs a few minutes and then freezes. but upon subsequent restarts >> >>>> everything is good. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:18 PM Michael wrote: >> >>>>> I have ssh installed on my system but to ssh into another system you >> >>>>> need ssh-server installed on your computer but I can't find it. I >> >>>>> guess I'm wrong. What else do you need installed? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:03 PM Michael wrote: >> >>>>>> I think my issue might also be grafix related because when it first >> >>>>>> started doing this the dark areas on my desktop picture would turn >> >>>>>> blue when it froze. I do have another system. Could you walk me >> >>>>>> through solving the problem? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:11 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> It really could be about anything, hardware or software. Unplug >> everything unnecessary, even usb things, and just see if it locks up then. >> I've had psu's do this, video cards, ram, even usb devices cause weird >> hardware-ish problems. Check dmesg and /var/log as well for errors/events, >> could indicate a flaky device. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Also software - upgrading ram recently, I also updated my system >> since I had to reboot anyways, and my pc began locking up every 2 days. I >> thought the new ram perhaps was bad, but memtest looked ok. It took some >> digging, but guess I picked up a bug in using an old intel graphics driver >> inadvertently, removed that driver, and I've had 70 days of uptime since. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I had to get a bit creative to diag this, including sshing into >> it from another system when it did lock up. Turns out it was graphics >> related, just the display froze, but the system worked otherwise headless. >> This led me to investigate graphics as a source of the lockups to fix at a >> driver level. If you have another system available, I'd suggest that. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -mb >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 6:36 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> sometimes my computer freezes. is iut the power supply? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>>>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> > >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. 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