just learning how to use the new commands and config files 100% Pebcak On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:23 PM Herminio Hernandez Jr. < herminio.hernandezjr@gmail.com> wrote: > What are your networking issues? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 7, 2019, at 2:21 AM, Stephen Partington > wrote: > > Right now Grub is about the only thing working right. i am having the > weirdest time trying to learn how to do networking the arch way. their > documentation has decidedly gotten worse. > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:16 PM Michael Butash wrote: > >> What sort of FS structure do you use for yours? Arch and it's grub >> configuration is highly broken for me, and many other folks right now, so >> I'm sure it's something particular to my build. >> >> I've been afraid to update my dekstop lately just in case same issues >> there now, but there is little difference between them at this point I can >> find that one works, and the other does not, other than a lack of raid. >> >> -mb >> >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM Stephen Partington >> wrote: >> >>> I had Nvidia/Intel working on a Lattitude 5580 with bumblebee working >>> well. In the case of my specific AW it is a G-Sync enabled display, so >>> there is no Mux chip to swap between intel and Nvidia graphics. Native >>> screen and all physical connectors are connected directly to the nvidia >>> GPU, and the Intel chip does not do much unless you have thunderbolt >>> working. But it worked well with Ubuntu so i don't expect much with regards >>> to Arch. Arch will likely have more behavior issues with Wifi. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 11:54 AM Eric Oyen wrote: >>> >>>> Speaking of BSD environments… >>>> >>>> Well, Theo DeRaadt still won’t make his OS accessible. In fact, he >>>> expects someone like me to go through the process of coding the apps, >>>> patching and finally submitting to the ports system (for lengthly review, >>>> etc.). All I wanted was to have BrilTTY included as a possible startup >>>> option on the installation disks for OpenBSD. >>>> >>>> Now, there is an accessibility project going over at NetBSD, but I >>>> haven’t had a lot of time to download and try it out. The forums are still >>>> abuzz with technical issues and the like and ORCA still would have to be >>>> patched and ported in order to work on an X Desktop there. So, unless >>>> things radically change, I am stuck with a few Linux Distros and not much >>>> hope for a more secure OS anytime soon. >>>> >>>> If I had a ride up to the black hat convention in Las Vegas next time >>>> Theo is there, I might meet with him in open forum and have him explain >>>> before a very public audience why it is that many blind users like me are >>>> left out of the picture on his OS. Perhaps it might spur him into action >>>> and to doing the right thing. Or, it might cause him to dig in and never do >>>> anything (I hope for the former, but expect the latter, if you know what I >>>> mean). We blind users expect to be able to use technology and there really >>>> is no longer any excuse not to make Operating systems accessible.. >>>> >>>> Anyway, that’s my take on the BSD world. And yes, like you, I don’t >>>> want to have to face breakages, moved items or removed items that I found >>>> useful. You know how it is with engineers, they just love to change things! >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> From the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Technology for all >>>> Dept. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 5, 2019, at 12:39 AM, Thomas Scott >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I've moved towards arch and even BSD in personal use over the past few >>>> years away from ubuntu. I don't want massive changes, I want solid, slow >>>> changes. Funny how when I first got into Linux a decade ago, I loved the >>>> "cutting edge", now when I see something new, I'm more likely to yell at my >>>> computer "You moved that WHERE?!". >>>> >>>> In the day (night) job, it's RH. As MB noted, when it comes to the >>>> enterprise, it's still supreme. Especially with Openstack gaining as much >>>> ground as it has, Canonical lags far behind RH and even Mirantis in >>>> support. Kind of sad to see my old favorite dwindle so much. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 12:00 AM Eric Oyen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, from an accessibility standpoint, Ubbuntu is one of the better >>>>> distros around. ORCA screen reader, BrlTTY, speak, emacsspeak and several >>>>> others are available and even the initial setup is accessible. I haven’t >>>>> tried this on arch yet and until I research it, I can’t give a qualified >>>>> opinion on arch. >>>>> >>>>> -Eric >>>>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Dept of Research and >>>>> Development. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Michael Butash wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's little things like that that make the distro to be honest. Don't >>>>> piss me off, don't die catastrophically randomly, don't upgrade and leave >>>>> me at some nebulous boot prompt. Ubuntu did that to me too many times, >>>>> Arch has been downright gentile by comparison, particularly for as complex >>>>> a setup as I have here. >>>>> >>>>> I'm fairly particular about breaking down os partitions, /, /boot, >>>>> /var, /var/log, /usr, /home, and anything else plugged in. I would always >>>>> use 200mb for my /boot, then some point kernels got huge and couldn't store >>>>> more than 3 on that. Leaving auto-upgrade on ubuntu for 6 months at a time >>>>> would fill the boot drive and start failed upgrades annoyingly, so >>>>> something like that in Fedora is appreciated. I've not trusted ubuntu >>>>> auto-upgrades, or ubuntu much at all since. >>>>> >>>>> Now I just throw /boot a gig, and typically about the same for EFI >>>>> from secureboot nonsense, so it works out. Arch doesn't normally keep >>>>> multiple kernels around, so not an issue here. >>>>> >>>>> I still have never liked RH-derivatives however, and still grimace >>>>> using them after 20 years. I did however install cent7 not long ago on my >>>>> network test rigs as the only distro that supported my 100gb nic drivers, >>>>> and it didn't seem terrible to use these days. Might try it sometime, but >>>>> so far Arch hasn't given me reason to ever leave it. >>>>> >>>>> -mb >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:39 PM Harold Hartley >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It’s good to get useful info on arch and I agree about Ubuntu as I >>>>>> also had problems with it. >>>>>> I now run fedora and have no problems with at all. I find updates >>>>>> pretty much everyday with bug fixes and new files being installed. I even >>>>>> like how it installs the new kernel and removes the older kernel that’s 3 >>>>>> versions back. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 14:47, Michael Butash wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Arch is mostly precompiled binaries if using standard pacman repos, >>>>>> their standard package manager. >>>>>> >>>>>> Installing other package managers like yaourt introduce community >>>>>> repos, ala deb/ubuntu ppa repos, which may or may not just compile >>>>>> something on the fly for you if no binary package available. I don't think >>>>>> I've ever NOT found something I needed in pacman or yaourt repos under arch >>>>>> that I've had to compile manually, and both binary or compiling on the fly >>>>>> via yaourt have worked almost flawlessly. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've run Arch on my desktop for at least 2 years now, and it's been >>>>>> the best change I've made in a long while. Rolling upgrades are great, I've >>>>>> not encountered one failed upgrade with arch, vs. like every fscking time >>>>>> upgrading any ubuntu system that fails horribly, almost reliably, every >>>>>> time. I've run into a few upgrade issues, usually with a conflicting 3rd >>>>>> party package that has been replaced, but otherwise has worked flawlessly. >>>>>> >>>>>> That said, I can't make it work on my laptop to save my life, but I >>>>>> think it's more a matter of current kernel, grub, systemd, and various bits >>>>>> not playing nicely with my luks+lvm setup. If not requiring things like >>>>>> encryption and logical volumes, it's probably pretty easy to walk-through, >>>>>> but only for an advanced (or sadist newbie) user. >>>>>> >>>>>> Arch has been great once booting and working, I have half a dozen >>>>>> different DE's installed on here, and basically rotate between what one is >>>>>> less broken each upgrade,. A fault, not of Arch's so much the individual >>>>>> DE's that can't figure out high-resolution compositing, rotating between >>>>>> sucking or not. I've been using Mate for a distinct lack of compositing, >>>>>> which proves most stable. I just don't like the menu and a lack of >>>>>> type-to-search feature in it... >>>>>> >>>>>> I've tried switching off my laptop Ubuntu install as with 18.04 >>>>>> upgrade, it locked me into Wayland, which simply does NOT work with any >>>>>> other DE on it. I can't launch into KDE, Cinnamon, Mate, or anything else >>>>>> on it, they just fail at login - only Gnome3 (Ubuntu Bastard-Edition) >>>>>> works, with many, many problems that about make it infuriating to use. I've >>>>>> not hated a DE so much in a long time, thanks Ubuntu. but stuck as the only >>>>>> thing working on my laptop other than windoze my xps15 came with. I'll get >>>>>> frisky and try Arch again soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> Trick is finding a distro you like, your comfortable with, and >>>>>> doesn't randomly break with every upgrade. Ubuntu is NOT the latter, expect >>>>>> upgrades to fail you, this coming from someone living Ubuntu since 6.04. >>>>>> Other distros, ymmv. >>>>>> >>>>>> -mb >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:02 PM Harold Hartley >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > __ >>>>>> > I thought arch was just binary. Never knew they started having both. >>>>>> > If arch is offering a binary system, isn’t that a closed system and >>>>>> doesn’t that violate open source license. That is my question. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 13:58, Stephen Partington wrote: >>>>>> >> Arch if i am correct is both. and like Gentoo you can build as you >>>>>> install with the option of compile from source. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Harold Hartley < >>>>>> wheelie207@ownmail.net> wrote: >>>>>> >> > __ >>>>>> >> > The first part you said I couldn’t have said any better. >>>>>> >> > Now isn’t arch a binary system which has their system files and >>>>>> packages in binary form. >>>>>> >> > That doesn’t leave much for fixing a problem on the system if >>>>>> it’s binary files. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 13:27, Stephen Partington wrote: >>>>>> >> >> Mostly it is just a personal preference. Sometimes it is >>>>>> related to the window manager. Sometimes it is the package manager. There >>>>>> are a number of reasons. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> I personally am torn between arch and Ubuntu (especially with >>>>>> their lite install option) I like both for different reasons. I have been >>>>>> considering moving to arch on my laptop. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 12:04 PM Aaron Jones >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >> > To entertain all the people who can't do Arch. >>>>>> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> > Le Troll Face.jpeg here >>>>>> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 11:29 AM Stephen Elliott < >>>>>> tnflyfisher@live.com> wrote: >>>>>> >> >> >> What is the purpose of all these different distros? >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> > On Mar 3, 2019, at 12:00 PM, < >>>>>> plug-discuss-request@lists.phxlinux.org> < >>>>>> plug-discuss-request@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to >>>>>> >> >> >> > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=qJghQhX9hWHCKzKKW9aBQO2zzPJ46052LA8aHlCqZm8%3D&reserved=0 >>>>>> >> >> >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' >>>>>> to >>>>>> >> >> >> > plug-discuss-request@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>>> >> >> >> > plug-discuss-owner@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >>>>>> specific >>>>>> >> >> >> > than "Re: Contents of PLUG-discuss digest..." >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > Today's Topics: >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > 1. Re: Phoenix Linux (Matthew Crews) >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > Message: 1 >>>>>> >> >> >> > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:15:37 +0100 (CET) >>>>>> >> >> >> > From: Matthew Crews >>>>>> >> >> >> > To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: Phoenix Linux >>>>>> >> >> >> > Message-ID: < >>>>>> c07a8f64-f2ad-bc77-5bcd-1227c27d2d52@mattcrews.com> >>>>>> >> >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > On 3/1/19 6:18 PM, der.hans wrote: >>>>>> >> >> >> >> moin moin, >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> I have seen references to this, but for the first time >>>>>> went and looked. >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> Phoenix Linux - based on lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphoenixlinux.weebly.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=gbDmb4Xv3bBpMO%2By4qtTA2sPhge2s82e39Mx3Daj%2F0M%3D&reserved=0 >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> Has anyone tried it? >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> ciao, >>>>>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >> >> der.hans >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > I haven't tried it, but it looks like a hobby respin of >>>>>> Lubuntu, but >>>>>> >> >> >> > with none of the support (and lagging behind upstream by a >>>>>> significant >>>>>> >> >> >> > margin). >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > Hobby distros, especially hobby respins, are a tough sell >>>>>> for me because >>>>>> >> >> >> > of the lack of support. I'd normally prefer to stick to >>>>>> upstream (in >>>>>> >> >> >> > this case, Lubuntu). >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > The same person responsible for Phoenix also makes Feren >>>>>> OS, which is >>>>>> >> >> >> > based off of Linux Mint (and in the process of rebasing to >>>>>> Ubuntu LTS). >>>>>> >> >> >> > Feren is relatively well received and does have a support >>>>>> structure, and >>>>>> >> >> >> > looks fairly nice. >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> >> >> >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> >> >> >> > Name: signature.asc >>>>>> >> >> >> > Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>> >> >> >> > Size: 833 bytes >>>>>> >> >> >> > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature >>>>>> >> >> >> > URL: < >>>>>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fpipermail%2Fplug-discuss%2Fattachments%2F20190303%2F22561458%2Fattachment-0001.sig&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=a1CDo73PR2qUDpuKqP2uHdFA5MkwgUnr1dtAkxfO2pE%3D&reserved=0 >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > ------------------------------ >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > Subject: Digest Footer >>>>>> >> >> >> > >>>>>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> >> >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - 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