https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/11/02/1814249/red-hat-is-planning-to-deprecate-kde-on-rhel-by-2024 So, what happens when a "too big to fail" company buys red hat linux, first thing they do. -mb On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 1:33 PM Michael Butash wrote: > >> Any graphic gl rendering instantly nullifies screen lock on linux. > >> on nvidia, radeon, or intel improperly, so really don't even know > >> who to bug. > > > > What are the steps to reproducing this? I found a completely different > > problem when I tried to manually lock the screen. The root window went > > black, and white text saying something like "The screen unlocker is > > broken, do (thing that doesn't work) to unlock the screen." How did > > this happen? It worked months ago.... > > For me, using the desktop normally, then launching any sort of gl rendered > game, minecraft or secondlife that I'll leave running for days, wait the 10 > minutes, and observe the screen not locking. It's not only these graphic > games, but even some things like clicking on a menu on a window (ie. file), > leaving it open, but not actually selecting things, tends to as well freeze > and hang the lock screen process from kicking off. Anything Java like > menus or modal windows too tend to freeze screen lock from engaging. Far > too many things. The screen never dims, goes to lock, it's just stuck in a > perpetual state of active it seems. This has happened since the beginning > of time for me on about every hardware and gpu combination possible, so > more than just a nvidia driver bug or something. > > I agree with the rest of the comments, I can't expect much debugging with > 6 displays, but would be nice if they'd listen to someone who actually did > as I'm likely not the first or last to try. Now that I'm down to 3 from > the 6, I think it's a bit more common a setup, only with the 4k displays > and hdmi connections cause more weirdness. > > The issue stems from my samsung 4k tv's (not monitors) in use, that they > do not power down ala a monitor would, so I have to shut them off at night > when going to bed or leaving the office with a remote. This causes them to > hotplug remove from the graphics, leaving no displays attached, which > causes kwin to poop on itself. Originally in 4 and early 5, this would > just crash kde, and later they added a null framebuffer back in to deal > with this. It still causes long-term destabilization when I do this more > than a few times over days, and every time rearranges every window on my > desktop to one display, presuming the first to reattach. > > Cinnamon did this too, but within a day of bringing it up, a workaround > was proposed and never had another issue with it, and is now fixed in new > builds. if only I could say the same for kde after some combination of > these and other bugs over the years. > > -mb > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:20 PM Matt Graham wrote: > >> On 2018-10-27 21:03, Michael Butash wrote: >> > I'd love some ideas from someone in better favour than some random >> > person quipping about his 3-6 displays misbehaving every time they >> > hotplug in and rearranges every frigging window open. >> >> I think part of the problem is that not many people *have* that many >> monitors. As a result, the developers don't / can't make sure that a >> 6-monitor setup works properly. I don't have enough room on my home >> desk for more than 2, and my job probably wouldn't buy me another >> monitor. It's not necessary for me--2560x1440 is plenty of space. >> >> > I really wish kde had their arse together, it's got the right >> > things for good integration, but it swings and misses in so many >> > ways. Amarok is a of this, I always tried it, and found it >> > simply difficult and buggy to use, so I had to use rhythmbox or >> > banshee as an alt to it. Same with kmail, krdc, and finally >> > just the entire DE vs. having to reboot from destabilization >> > of the os within 3-4 days. >> >> I have not ever seen this happen with my systems, and I've been using >> KDE since 1999. I only restart KDE when there's a KDE or X version >> upgrade. Then again, I'm not using Ubuntu, but Gentoo, and Gentoo is >> probably a lot more paranoid about bugs than Ubuntu is, and Ubuntu >> doesn't really care about KDE. Never used Amarok though. (x11amp, >> xmms, then audacious, because they can all use winamp skins.) dolphin >> (file manager) has always worked without problems, konsole (terminal >> emulator) has always been fine, OpenGL and 3D have always worked fine. >> Then again, I have a much more vanilla setup with only 1 monitor and 1 >> video card. >> >> > Screen locking is yet another small but huge problem for me too on >> > any/every platform, distro or de. The DE seems to randomly decide >> > when it actually wants to lock or not >> >> This is also something I have never seen. Then again, I don't have my >> desktop set to lock after N minutes, because it's in my house and that >> would be inconvenient. It worked fine on my older laptop. >> >> > Any graphic gl rendering instantly nullifies screen lock on linux. >> > on nvidia, radeon, or intel improperly, so really don't even know >> > who to bug. >> >> What are the steps to reproducing this? I found a completely different >> problem when I tried to manually lock the screen. The root window went >> black, and white text saying something like "The screen unlocker is >> broken, do (thing that doesn't work) to unlock the screen." How did >> this happen? It worked months ago.... >> >> >> I'd love to hear from someone actually using kmail too. >> >> I abandoned kmail when it stopped allowing you to store your local >> files as mdir or mbox and wanted you to use their weird database-ish >> thing that no other client uses. mdir is a standard for a *reason*, >> people. It may not be sexy or new or wonderful, but every mail client >> that's not a toy should be able to use it. >> >> -- >> Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress >> There is no Darkness in Eternity >> But only Light too dim for us to see. >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >