alternatively you could choose something like this. https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-16GB-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B003YMJPE8 or https://www.amazon.com/KingDian-Capacity-Promotion-Internal-Upgrade/dp/B015CIAZCW/ On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Carruth, Rusty wrote: > Well, but it wasn't (as far as I could tell) wearing out the media. > > But, since they're cheap, it might be interesting if someone tried that > and let us know how it goes... > > (and I should mention we have the same problem with using them as FreeDOS > boot (and thus C:). We write some data there, but nothing like using it > for swap ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org] On > Behalf Of Brian Cluff > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:52 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > Subject: Re: NVMe: was Building a Linux Computer? > > For boot I would think they would work for darn near forever since they > will be getting little in the way of writes. For / on the other hand, > especially if you put some home and tmp directories on them, there are > enough writes to kill them quickly. > > Brian Cluff > > On 05/29/2018 08:37 AM, Carruth, Rusty wrote: > > BEWARE! Some vendors will not support using their USB sticks as boot > drives! > > > > > > For example, Kingston DataTraveller sticks are EXPLICITLY NOT SUPPORTED > (that is to say, warranty is voided) if you use them as a boot drive!!!!! > (I know because I asked them) > > > > I've got about 20 of the Kingston stick that ended up dying after being > used as / - YMMV if you ONLY use it for /boot. Now, if you reformat them > they will work for a while, then die again, at least when used this way. > > > > NOT recommended as / MIGHT work as /boot. > > > > I think I've got a few cruzers that failed also, but I'd have to look. > > > > Rusty > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org] On > Behalf Of Brian Cluff > > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 12:16 AM > > To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > Subject: Re: NVMe: was Building a Linux Computer? > > > > I was thinking about one of those super low profile usb flash drives > like: > > https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruzer-Low-Profile- > Drive-SDCZ33-016G-B35/dp/B005FYNSZA > > That is small enough that it won't get bumped and broken easily and you > > would have to go out of your way to pull it out of the system since > > there isn't much to grab hold of. > > > > As for speed, the amount of data that is coming off of the USB drive is > > minimal, so even if it was a little slow it wouldn't really slow down > > the boot process much. > > Besides, who cares about the boot time. The real bonus will be programs > > starting instantly once you are up and running on and NVMe. > > > > Brian Cluff > > > > On 05/25/2018 10:04 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > >> Knowing my luck I'd lose that USB drive (I assume you mean a thumb > >> drive, not a USB connected spinner). Am I correct that /boot on the > >> thumb drive would slow the boot process, but everything after early > >> boot would take place at NVMe speed? I'm not particularly choosy about > >> boot speed. Go make a cup of tea. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> SteveT > >> > >> On Fri, 25 May 2018 12:57:45 -0700 > >> Brian Cluff wrote: > >> > >>> You can always get a physically very small USB drive and put /boot > >>> and the boot block on that. Then everything else can go on the NVMe. > >>> > >>> Brian Cluff > >>> > >>> On 05/25/2018 12:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > >>>> Maybe you can get a rip-roaring machine, but how so if that post > >>>> 2005 computer can't boot of NVMe? What do you do, take the UEFI > >>>> info and the /boot off another drive, and use the NVMe for / ? Or > >>>> do you boot off another drive, and then carve up the (assumedly > >>>> small) NVMe into /usr, /lib, /run ? Life gets a lot more > >>>> complicated if the machine can't boot the NVMe. > >>>> > >>>> SteveT > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, 23 May 2018 01:16:21 -0700 > >>>> Eric Oyen wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> well, the beauty about the "add-in" cards is that you can use any > >>>>> PCI-e slot on just about any desktop that is newer than vintage > >>>>> 2005. YYou will end up with a rip-roaring fast machine. :) > >>>>> > >>>>> -eric > >>>>> > >>>>> On May 22, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Carruth, Rusty wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Oohh! Oohh!! Something I can answer :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1 - yes and no. Yes, you can replace, but no, you (almost > >>>>>> certainly) need to get a PCIe card which converts PCIe on the > >>>>>> motherboard to NVMe on the ssd. We have one of those at work, not > >>>>>> too expensive as I recall. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2 - You should be able to. Don't know if that's implemented or > >>>>>> not. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 3 - /dev/nvme0n1 as an example. So, for SATA, its /dev/sd for > >>>>>> nvme, you get a /dev/nvme0 and then you get /dev/nvme0n1 for the > >>>>>> actual drive, as I remember. I don't remember what the partitions > >>>>>> turn up as, but I THINK they were /dev/nvme0n1p1 or something like > >>>>>> that. A second NVMe drive would be /dev/nvme0n2 I think. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 4 - it should. Now, you MIGHT need some updated stuff, for > >>>>>> example smartctl may or may not work with NVMe on your distro. > >>>>>> And you'll probably need to download the nvme tool that gives you > >>>>>> control sort of like hdparm. Using an 'old' distribution might > >>>>>> be a problem (for some value of 'old') > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: PLUG-discuss > >>>>>> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org] On Behalf Of > >>>>>> Steve Litt Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 2:30 PM To: > >>>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org Subject: NVMe: was Building a > >>>>>> Linux Computer? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, 22 May 2018 13:57:29 -0700 > >>>>>> Brian Cluff wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> For me, I would get a system that can use a NVMe. They are about > >>>>>>> the same price as an SSD, but make and SSD look extremely slow. > >>>>>> This is the first I've heard of NVMe. I just read > >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express , and now have some > >>>>>> questions: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1) Can I replace the spinning platter 2.5" hard disk in my 5 year > >>>>>> old laptop with an NVMe device? My research tells me an NVMe must > >>>>>> plug into a PCIe slot rather than a SATA slot. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2) Do you fstrim NVMe-hosted partitions the same way you do for > >>>>>> SSD? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 3) When you install an NVMe card in a PCIe slot, what device name > >>>>>> shows up? Is it sd-whatever, or something else? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 4) If my desktop has a free PCIe slot, does that mean I can plug > >>>>>> in an NVIe drive and use it? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> SteveT > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Steve Litt > >>>>>> June 2018 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting > >>>>>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>>> --------------------------------------------------- > >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> --------------------------------------------------- > >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. 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