I do understand those concerns, but those types of abuses have existed in the past and were dealt with before there was Net Neutrality. I do really think that the bigger threat from the big content providers and not the ISPs. On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 7:12 PM, wrote: > > I hear you. If everyone would play fair I would think slicing up data > usage is fair. I watch a lot of YouTube, however I do not need 4k. My > main concern is for businesses who use the Internet to market and do > business. As you probably know there is a move from brick and mortar to > online stores and more so to selling on Amazon. > > If there is no net neutrality and GoDaddy invests in timewarner, then > timewarner could keep people from seeing your website that is hosted on > HostGator. Then Godaddy could coerce you into moving to GoDaddy or pay a > fee to GoDaddy or timewarner. > > I see some serious antitrust coming. We need to get ICAAN back and we need > to keep the Internet the Wild West to some degree. I do see Google is > headed for some antitrust law suites, and maybe Government oversight. > Government oversight is scary given how corrupt our Government is. > > > > > > On 2017-11-24 12:31, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. wrote: > > I will start with some thoughts on why I find the NN debate troubling. > First there is a technical misunderstanding. NN is built on the idea that > ISPs should treat all traffic equally. This concept is simply unrealistic. > Bandwidth is a limited resource there is only so much data that a Ethernet > port can transmit and receive. Also things like MTU size, latency, jitter > all impact the reliable transmission of data which bring me to my other > point. Not all traffic is the same. There are night and day differences > between TCP and UDP traffic. For example UDP (which is what most voice and > video is) is faster than TCP. The drawback to this is that UDP does not > have the recovery features that TCP has in case of packet loss (ie sequence > number and acknowledgment packets). There UDP applications are more prone > to suffer when latency is high or links get saturated. To overcome this > network engineer implement prioritization and traffic shaping to ensure > these services are not impacted. > > As more content is consumed such as 4K video on the internet, the need for > traffic shaping will only increase. Netflix already has the ability to push > 100Gbps from their servers. That is a ton of data that needs to be > prioritized by ISPs. This is not free there are serious costs involved in > man hours and infrastructure. Someone needs to bear that cost. This is why > I am not opposed to fast lanes. If Netflix is going to have ISPs ensure all > of the massive amounts to data are push is delivered efficiently, then the > ISPs should be free to charge a premium for this service. Netflix does not > want to bear this cost, hense their support for Net Neutrality. They want > the ISPs to bear the cost, but then result of that is we bear the cost via > data caps. > > When you strip away all the slogans it all comes down to money and > control. Data will be traffic shaped it is just who decides how unelected > government bureaucrats pushing some public policy or market forces. > > Something else to consider a lot not all but a lot of the very same people > who cry that the end of Net Neutrality will be end of free speech (no more > free and open internet) have no issue saying Twiiter, Facebook, and Google > (since they are 'private companies') have the right demonetize, obscure, or > even ban individuals who express ideas that other deem "offensive". How is > that promoting a "Free and Open Internet"? > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> well, as someone else suggested, a new thread. >> >> so, shall we start the discussion? >> >> ok, as mentioned, bandwidth is a limited resource. the question is How >> limited? >> >> Then there is the question: can an ISP curtail certain types of traffic >> (null route it, delay it, other bandwidth shaping routines)? How far can >> they go? >> >> What really is net neutrality? >> >> lastly, what part does the FCC play, or should they? >> >> so, any thoughts on the above questions? >> >> -eric >> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, you got questions, we >> got answers Dept. >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >