Jumping a little late . . "So what if they get paid $10-$20k lower annual salaries?" <-- not even close where I work. How about $60-80K lower? My employer pays Tata Consulting $66K/year for DBA's. They keep 1/3 so the H1B worker gets $44K. That's $22/hr - soon to be just double minimum wage. This H1B worker usually comes with a Master's Degree in Computer Science or similar. Find me one American with a Graduate Degree in Science willing to work for $22/hr. Yes, the struggle is real to find talent [that will work for peanuts]. Almost everyone I know makes more than that, except those in the fast-food industry. So where's the incentive to get a degree? I call it "exploitation." Regards, George Toft On 11/8/2016 10:46 AM, David Schwartz wrote: > > More propaganda from right-wing pro-corporate anti-American talking > heads about a topic they are ill-informed about. > > (Most Americans have no clue about US immigraion laws.) > > The recent Defense Appropriations Budget opened the floodgates to H-1B > visas, thanks to non-stop lobbying from large US tech firms like > Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, Dell, etc. > > I saw something a while back on cable channel that covers congress, > and it was a public meeting of some sort about H-1B issues. > Representatives from Microsoft, HP, and some huge consulting firm. > > One interesting thing they all agreed upon was that their budget for > prosecuting each H-1B visa was $50k. This was ONLY for the legal fees! > Then there was salary, benefits, relocation, and later on the legal > fees and relocation expenses for their family members. > > Forget about annual salaries for a minute, which I don’t believe are > really that much lower for people residing here in America and > awaiting permanent residency (green cards). > > Here’s what job offers for US Citizens would look like if they were > comparable to H-1B offers: > > * > > $50k hiring bonus (used for legal fees) > > * > > Full relocation (from overseas, way more expensive than even > across country in USA) > > * > > Guaranteed job for 6-10 years (how long it takes for green cards > to issue) > > * > > Guaranteed on-the-job training for whatever new projects these > people are destined to fill during their 6-10 year tenure > > * > > Full relocation to other cities that might have projects these > people can fill to keep employed > > * > > Tacit agreement to never complain, never file any kind of labor > actions or lawsuits against the company for any reason at all > > So what if they get paid $10-$20k lower annual salaries? > > Would YOU accept a job with these “benefits” for a slightly lower > salary like this??? > > -David Schwartz > > On Nov 8, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Keith Smith > wrote: > > Hi, > > While at the polls I talked with a man running for Chandler City > Council who told me the H1B Visa was necessary because there are > not enough qualified Americans to fill those positions. > > I do not agree. And if it is true then why, for example, is there > no Microsoft University that finds those with the talent and help > develop them into the qualified employee they are looking for? It > is my understanding M$ is one of the biggest users of the H1B Visa > program. > > This is an example of there not being an shortage. -->> McDonald's > lays off 70 American accountants from Ohio and gives their jobs to > foreign workers as part of cost-cutting exercise > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3800381/McDonald-s-lays-70-American-accountants-Ohio-gives-jobs-foreign-workers-cost-cutting-measure.html > > > — Keith Smith --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list – PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To > subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss