So I have learned something interesting. My system has a Marvell based chips etc providing some extra sata3 ports. If I have a SATA device plugged into that controller I gets some pretty interesting errors on boot preventing the installer from even loading. In this case my blue ray drive was connected so I simply unplugged that. This was affecting me on Ubuntu 16.04 and 16.10. This might be related to your root issue. On Nov 8, 2016 9:10 PM, "Stephen Partington" wrote: > So I am now running Ubuntu 16.10 on my main machine with LVM-cache UEFI > and my shiny new GTX 1070 with KDE Plasma 5.7.5 > > So far It is running very well. after i broke my LVM about 4 times trying > to remember how ti set up LVM cache... > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Brian Cluff wrote: > >> I just had to kill that on my home machine. It was making me wait 5 >> minutes even though I actually already had a connection... lame. >> >> Brian Cluff >> On 11/08/2016 09:54 AM, Stephen Partington wrote: >> >> I do much the same here. But if you are installing something that does >> not have an always connected network you might want to adjust the wait >> timeout for networking sooner than later. 5m boot delays are weird and >> annoying. >> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Brian Cluff wrote: >> >>> In my experience the server install is pretty much just a minimal >>> install that asks you at the end if you want to install certain typical >>> server software. I just normally just pick SSH server and then add >>> whatever I want after the first boot. I've always had less problems >>> installing the server over rather than the desktop install because of the >>> odd graphics card problems that pop up from time to time (but hardly ever >>> these days) since the server install uses a text based installer. The >>> server install will allow you easily install a basic system and then >>> install the proprietary graphics drivers afterwards skipping having to have >>> them to install in the first place. >>> >>> The only real gotcha is that it takes longer to install since much of >>> your software (aka your entire desktop environment) will have to be >>> downloaded over the Internet rather than coming off of nice fast flash >>> drives or DVDs. You could, if you are in a hurry, install via the server >>> install disk and then use the packages on the desktop install to feed your >>> desktop install, but in the long run it probably won't save you any time >>> since you would still want to update everything over the Internet and that >>> would take just about as long. Then again, if you have the server >>> installed, you can actually be doing stuff to customize your install at the >>> same time that it's installing/updating so it's probably all in all a speed >>> win. >>> >>> Brian Cluff >>> On 11/08/2016 12:49 AM, trent shipley wrote: >>> >>> What are some of the gotchas he can expect in installing: server -> >>> delta desktop repository -> delta desktop gui -> no more than two days >>> tweaking system? OR: >>> desktop install -> delta server -> tweak? >>> >>> I'd expect using the server distro as the base to work better with a >>> server enabled workstation, but that's just a layperson's hunch. >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM Brian Cluff wrote: >>> >>>> Plus one for the server install DVD. If you are going to do anything >>>> out of the norm, always reach for the server install. Then just apt install >>>> kubuntu-desktop when everything is done installing. >>>> >>>> Kde neon is pretty good right now and about the only way to get an up >>>> to date kde experience right now, but it will still use the Ubuntu >>>> installer. It would probably be best for you to use the server install cd, >>>> then add the neon repositories, and then install the the neon-desktop >>>> >>>> >>>> Brian Cluff >>>> >>>> On November 7, 2016 1:17:07 PM MST, Stephen Partington < >>>> cryptworks@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Wow. you worked much harder with the desktop install media than i would >>>> have. I usually 86 the desktop install media and just use the server >>>> install media to get the LVM/Raid settings i want to use. i just have to >>>> remember to disable the network wait on boot. >>>> >>>> I am about to try something like this again for a while as Windows 10 >>>> is irking me again more and more. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Michael Butash >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry for the fire and forget, had to rebuild a data center for a >>>> customer over the weekend - I was just really hoping to have the darn box >>>> up before I left to work on it remote, such a simple feat normally, but I >>>> had no time for anyways. >>>> >>>> Rest inline... >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/03/2016 03:54 AM, Steve Litt wrote: >>>> >>>> On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:38:24 -0700 >>>> Michael Butash wrote: >>>> >>>> This is really why I have a hate/love relation with ubuntu, it never >>>> fails to disappoint. My road to 16.04 has been all upgrades so far, >>>> this time I'm using 16.04.1 cd's from scratch. >>>> >>>> Curious: What do you love about it? You seem like the kind of person >>>> who could work with any distro. >>>> >>>> Short answer, it usually works where others do not with my graphics, a >>>> 6-head amd video card which until recently, I used all ports on. >>>> >>>> Long story, probably tldr (you asked!), definitely love/hate... >>>> >>>> After my last straw with windoze and making the decision to force >>>> myself to use linux to both learn and abandon m$ shitty ecosystem circa >>>> 2006, I tried a bit of everything disto-wise. I always loathed redhat and >>>> rpm hell (no, yum didn't entirely fix this, and much later), I came from >>>> slackware/open|freebsd/solaris background having no desire to go back, and >>>> oddly landed on Mandrake for a bit. Until I started hacking on it, and >>>> things came unglued. >>>> >>>> I decided to try Ubuntu after reading about debian roots I've heard >>>> praised (tried for 2 seconds, got annoyed, don't remember now why), I think >>>> 6.04 at the time, and oddly it "just worked". >>>> >>>> I didn't begin to have any real issues until 10.10 until the era of >>>> unity hell began, and they started trying to make Ubuntu install more >>>> idiot-proof for, well idiots. Sadly it removed all the good features like >>>> complex raid, crypto, and lvm setup, making it about as stupid as possible, >>>> but there was always the alt installer and just simply not using unity, if >>>> I could just get the damn os on a system. Thanks Canonical. >>>> >>>> They then pissed on that, fiddling with (breaking) the alt installer >>>> removing fdisk (it's what I used for my raid+crypto+lvm setup), and >>>> ultimately doing away with the alt installer all together as insult to >>>> injury. Again I worked around them in other ways, building my fs manually >>>> with an arch cd first learning how to build it all manually from busybox >>>> again, and trick the netboot installer into working over it. Thanks again >>>> Canonoical. >>>> >>>> Around 2014, I got really annoyed after dist-upgrade blew up my system >>>> that I decide to sojourn a bit and explore distros again with a new laptop >>>> I'd gotten. I couldn't even get fedora's vaunted installer to reproduce my >>>> raid+crypt+lvm setup, and despised the notion of going back to it anyways, >>>> but at the request of a friend that for some reason likes it, tried. Even >>>> tried Red Hat's official installer, more broken than fedora, scratch >>>> either/or. Tried Arch too, got to a desktop, and found hell with the AMD >>>> drivers and graphics capabilities in general. >>>> >>>> I settled on Mint Debian edition with Mate, as Cinnamon was all sorts >>>> of broken with compositing on even the most basic intel gpu, which seemed >>>> like instant fail. Mate was great, and used that for a bit until with some >>>> new ssd's I'd begun to rebuild my desktop with mint de mate, and found ATI >>>> graphic hell in my desktop. AMD only cares about fedora/ubuntu as a linux >>>> entity, knew it would likely work there, and again hacked ubuntu back onto >>>> my system. It's the same install I'm using today, and eventually moved my >>>> laptop back to ubuntu. >>>> >>>> What I really can't fathom is how Canonical can keep breaking their >>>> installers in such new and creative ways each time, and only I seem to >>>> notice, but then again, I expect linux features most people don't know even >>>> exist or care about like raid, crypto, or volume management. >>>> >>>> If BTRFS or ZFS supported better encryption, I'd love to use one native >>>> fs to do all the raid/crypto/lvm in it. I think as of this year, >>>> either/both might, so worth exploring, but I bet ubuntu's installers will >>>> still suck in dealing with them. >>>> >>>> Yes, AMD is a root evil for linux graphics and at times the kernels, >>>> but nvidia to this day still has not put out a 6-head video card like AMD >>>> that I actually use all 6 ports of. Now I have 3x montiors (well, tv's), >>>> so this new one has a nice new 1070 card in it. Which thanks to their >>>> crappy business practices too of not releasing firmware immediately (that >>>> amd would decompile), I know nouveau has issues with, and the binary drive >>>> is necessary. I'm handy with cli here, not too worried, more that their >>>> drivers suck too these days. >>>> >>>> I really don't want to have to make a circle of distro's to end up >>>> back here again, but ubuntu is always so basically dysfunctional >>>> these days with the most basic things, it's hard to want to care. >>>> >>>> I wonder how much others have seen this. This is with legacy boot in >>>> bios, no uefi crap, and just a basic d-i based ubuntu server install, >>>> and/or kubuntu. >>>> >>>> I used Ubuntu for several years because it "just works." The trouble >>>> was, as I got more sophisticated, Ubuntu's seatbelts and airbags and >>>> danger sensing devices and training wheels and all that other stuff so >>>> necessary to the newbie badly got in my way. >>>> >>>> I agree, it feels almost childish to still use Ubuntu at this stage, >>>> but nothing else has worked suitably, and I'm somewhat tired of >>>> trying+disappointment when history has proven most others to be inadequate >>>> or worse. >>>> >>>> So I ditched Ubuntu for Debian, and that was great, but then Debian >>>> went systemd so I switched to Void Linux, and after a rocky 5 weeks of >>>> Void newbie-ism, Void has turned out to be the most useful, maleable >>>> and stable distro I've ever used. I've used Void for over a year now. >>>> >>>> That's why I tried Mint Debian Edition - figured deb it might suck less >>>> and just wanted a modern ui, but found that their driver support for AMD, >>>> or rather a support for modern versions thereof for graphics were fairly >>>> lacking, and no one from a major org cares enough to fix it. I simply >>>> could not get their kernel to take the amd driver, which was a >>>> non-starter. It's actually what drove me finally back to Ubuntu natively >>>> just for a working video solution, and at times keeps me bound. >>>> >>>> I think you've probably outgrown Ubuntu. >>>> >>>> See above. It tends to work great as long as I don't have to 1) >>>> install it via "normal" means or 2) upgrade it, both often suck these >>>> days. Both have simply continued to get worse and worse, and I only >>>> encounter them every few years out of necessity of they are also both my >>>> primary means of working as my own business. Once I hit 14.04 stable, I >>>> upgraded only upon absolute necessity core functions like kernel or desktop >>>> libs, and only essential apps that require them (browsers really), but >>>> otherwise didn't upgrade core until 16.04 when it released. That's been a >>>> current longer evolutionary story I'll get to eventually. >>>> >>>> BUT, as far as your current no-booting installer problem, I wonder if >>>> your media are bad. Just for fun, boot System Rescue CD and have a look >>>> around the system to verify no disk or RAM problems, and that the >>>> processor is what you think it is. If you can't boot System Rescue CD >>>> either, that points an accusing finger at your DVD drive. >>>> >>>> This is something I'd seen before actually, I'd mentioned another time >>>> about arch and disk-label usage. I don't think it's media, but who knows. >>>> My 10 year old spindle of dvd-r's might be breaking down by now, but first >>>> time I've seen this with a anything, why I tried both the built-in, and a >>>> usb, of which I've used hundreds of times to boot things, almost always >>>> said linux boxes over the past 10 years, another not long ago. >>>> >>>> Also, try burning your disks with cdrecord (or wodim) instead of a gui. >>>> I use a command something like this: >>>> >>>> cdrecord dev=/dev/sr0 padsize=63s driveropts=burnfree \ >>>> -pad -dao -v -eject myimage.iso >>>> >>>> The padsize=63s and -pad help with the Linux readahead bug. Burnfree >>>> means you don't unknowingly make coasters or bad discs if your computer >>>> can't deliver the data fast enough. >>>> >>>> If you perform the burn like I mentioned above, you *should* be able to >>>> md5 check the disc to the same md5sum as the iso file by following >>>> directions here: >>>> >>>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm >>>> >>>> Interesting - I've not had to adjust a cd like that using k3b on linux >>>> ever or nero in win since doing so for pirated drm games. Only time seeing >>>> something like that is using unetbootin to make the usb where it doesn't >>>> know the iso expects a certain disk label to exist. This seemed more a >>>> sloppy iso build in the few hours I had with the system and ample >>>> frustration to write that. >>>> >>>> Thank you for that tidbit, I'll try it after I fiddle with the bios >>>> more on this. I'm going to try a kde neon build (really what I'm >>>> interested in more here), I just didn't have the time as it showed up 5 >>>> hours before I had to pack, sleep, and hop on a plane (sad, I know). It's >>>> a t7910 precision dell, more a server board than desktop, so I'd really >>>> expect better behaviour here on either pc or ubuntu. >>>> >>>> I'll update when I get to it tonight hopefully. >>>> >>>> HTH, >>>> >>>> SteveT >>>> >>>> Steve Litt >>>> November 2016 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business >>>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >>>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss >>>> mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, >>>> unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss >>> mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, >>> unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> -- >> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >> Stephen >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > >