I just had to kill that on my home machine. It was making me wait 5 minutes even though I actually already had a connection... lame. Brian Cluff On 11/08/2016 09:54 AM, Stephen Partington wrote: > I do much the same here. But if you are installing something that does > not have an always connected network you might want to adjust the wait > timeout for networking sooner than later. 5m boot delays are weird and > annoying. > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Brian Cluff > wrote: > > In my experience the server install is pretty much just a minimal > install that asks you at the end if you want to install certain > typical server software. I just normally just pick SSH server and > then add whatever I want after the first boot. I've always had > less problems installing the server over rather than the desktop > install because of the odd graphics card problems that pop up from > time to time (but hardly ever these days) since the server install > uses a text based installer. The server install will allow you > easily install a basic system and then install the proprietary > graphics drivers afterwards skipping having to have them to > install in the first place. > > The only real gotcha is that it takes longer to install since much > of your software (aka your entire desktop environment) will have > to be downloaded over the Internet rather than coming off of nice > fast flash drives or DVDs. You could, if you are in a hurry, > install via the server install disk and then use the packages on > the desktop install to feed your desktop install, but in the long > run it probably won't save you any time since you would still want > to update everything over the Internet and that would take just > about as long. Then again, if you have the server installed, you > can actually be doing stuff to customize your install at the same > time that it's installing/updating so it's probably all in all a > speed win. > > Brian Cluff > > On 11/08/2016 12:49 AM, trent shipley wrote: >> What are some of the gotchas he can expect in installing: server >> -> delta desktop repository -> delta desktop gui -> no more than >> two days tweaking system? OR: >> desktop install -> delta server -> tweak? >> >> I'd expect using the server distro as the base to work better >> with a server enabled workstation, but that's just a layperson's >> hunch. >> >> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM Brian Cluff > > wrote: >> >> Plus one for the server install DVD. If you are going to do >> anything out of the norm, always reach for the server >> install. Then just apt install kubuntu-desktop when >> everything is done installing. >> >> Kde neon is pretty good right now and about the only way to >> get an up to date kde experience right now, but it will still >> use the Ubuntu installer. It would probably be best for you >> to use the server install cd, then add the neon repositories, >> and then install the the neon-desktop >> >> >> Brian Cluff >> >> On November 7, 2016 1:17:07 PM MST, Stephen Partington >> > wrote: >> >> Wow. you worked much harder with the desktop install >> media than i would have. I usually 86 the desktop install >> media and just use the server install media to get the >> LVM/Raid settings i want to use. i just have to remember >> to disable the network wait on boot. >> >> I am about to try something like this again for a while >> as Windows 10 is irking me again more and more. >> >> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Michael Butash >> > wrote: >> >> Sorry for the fire and forget, had to rebuild a data >> center for a customer over the weekend - I was just >> really hoping to have the darn box up before I left >> to work on it remote, such a simple feat normally, >> but I had no time for anyways. >> >> Rest inline... >> >> >> On 11/03/2016 03:54 AM, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:38:24 -0700 >> Michael Butash > > wrote: >> >> This is really why I have a hate/love >> relation with ubuntu, it never >> fails to disappoint. My road to 16.04 has >> been all upgrades so far, >> this time I'm using 16.04.1 cd's from scratch. >> >> Curious: What do you love about it? You seem like >> the kind of person >> who could work with any distro. >> >> Short answer, it usually works where others do not >> with my graphics, a 6-head amd video card which until >> recently, I used all ports on. >> >> Long story, probably tldr (you asked!), definitely >> love/hate... >> >> After my last straw with windoze and making the >> decision to force myself to use linux to both learn >> and abandon m$ shitty ecosystem circa 2006, I tried a >> bit of everything disto-wise. I always loathed >> redhat and rpm hell (no, yum didn't entirely fix >> this, and much later), I came from >> slackware/open|freebsd/solaris background having no >> desire to go back, and oddly landed on Mandrake for a >> bit. Until I started hacking on it, and things came >> unglued. >> >> I decided to try Ubuntu after reading about debian >> roots I've heard praised (tried for 2 seconds, got >> annoyed, don't remember now why), I think 6.04 at the >> time, and oddly it "just worked". >> >> I didn't begin to have any real issues until 10.10 >> until the era of unity hell began, and they started >> trying to make Ubuntu install more idiot-proof for, >> well idiots. Sadly it removed all the good features >> like complex raid, crypto, and lvm setup, making it >> about as stupid as possible, but there was always the >> alt installer and just simply not using unity, if I >> could just get the damn os on a system. Thanks >> Canonical. >> >> They then pissed on that, fiddling with (breaking) >> the alt installer removing fdisk (it's what I used >> for my raid+crypto+lvm setup), and ultimately doing >> away with the alt installer all together as insult to >> injury. Again I worked around them in other ways, >> building my fs manually with an arch cd first >> learning how to build it all manually from busybox >> again, and trick the netboot installer into working >> over it. Thanks again Canonoical. >> >> Around 2014, I got really annoyed after dist-upgrade >> blew up my system that I decide to sojourn a bit and >> explore distros again with a new laptop I'd gotten. >> I couldn't even get fedora's vaunted installer to >> reproduce my raid+crypt+lvm setup, and despised the >> notion of going back to it anyways, but at the >> request of a friend that for some reason likes it, >> tried. Even tried Red Hat's official installer, more >> broken than fedora, scratch either/or. Tried Arch >> too, got to a desktop, and found hell with the AMD >> drivers and graphics capabilities in general. >> >> I settled on Mint Debian edition with Mate, as >> Cinnamon was all sorts of broken with compositing on >> even the most basic intel gpu, which seemed like >> instant fail. Mate was great, and used that for a >> bit until with some new ssd's I'd begun to rebuild my >> desktop with mint de mate, and found ATI graphic hell >> in my desktop. AMD only cares about fedora/ubuntu as >> a linux entity, knew it would likely work there, and >> again hacked ubuntu back onto my system. It's the >> same install I'm using today, and eventually moved my >> laptop back to ubuntu. >> >> What I really can't fathom is how Canonical can keep >> breaking their installers in such new and creative >> ways each time, and only I seem to notice, but then >> again, I expect linux features most people don't know >> even exist or care about like raid, crypto, or volume >> management. >> >> If BTRFS or ZFS supported better encryption, I'd love >> to use one native fs to do all the raid/crypto/lvm in >> it. I think as of this year, either/both might, so >> worth exploring, but I bet ubuntu's installers will >> still suck in dealing with them. >> >> Yes, AMD is a root evil for linux graphics and at >> times the kernels, but nvidia to this day still has >> not put out a 6-head video card like AMD that I >> actually use all 6 ports of. Now I have 3x montiors >> (well, tv's), so this new one has a nice new 1070 >> card in it. Which thanks to their crappy business >> practices too of not releasing firmware immediately >> (that amd would decompile), I know nouveau has issues >> with, and the binary drive is necessary. I'm handy >> with cli here, not too worried, more that their >> drivers suck too these days. >> >> I really don't want to have to make a circle >> of distro's to end up >> back here again, but ubuntu is always so >> basically dysfunctional >> these days with the most basic things, it's >> hard to want to care. >> >> I wonder how much others have seen this. >> This is with legacy boot in >> bios, no uefi crap, and just a basic d-i >> based ubuntu server install, >> and/or kubuntu. >> >> I used Ubuntu for several years because it "just >> works." The trouble >> was, as I got more sophisticated, Ubuntu's >> seatbelts and airbags and >> danger sensing devices and training wheels and >> all that other stuff so >> necessary to the newbie badly got in my way. >> >> I agree, it feels almost childish to still use Ubuntu >> at this stage, but nothing else has worked suitably, >> and I'm somewhat tired of trying+disappointment when >> history has proven most others to be inadequate or worse. >> >> So I ditched Ubuntu for Debian, and that was >> great, but then Debian >> went systemd so I switched to Void Linux, and >> after a rocky 5 weeks of >> Void newbie-ism, Void has turned out to be the >> most useful, maleable >> and stable distro I've ever used. I've used Void >> for over a year now. >> >> That's why I tried Mint Debian Edition - figured deb >> it might suck less and just wanted a modern ui, but >> found that their driver support for AMD, or rather a >> support for modern versions thereof for graphics were >> fairly lacking, and no one from a major org cares >> enough to fix it. I simply could not get their >> kernel to take the amd driver, which was a >> non-starter. It's actually what drove me finally back >> to Ubuntu natively just for a working video solution, >> and at times keeps me bound. >> >> I think you've probably outgrown Ubuntu. >> >> See above. It tends to work great as long as I don't >> have to 1) install it via "normal" means or 2) >> upgrade it, both often suck these days. Both have >> simply continued to get worse and worse, and I only >> encounter them every few years out of necessity of >> they are also both my primary means of working as my >> own business. Once I hit 14.04 stable, I upgraded >> only upon absolute necessity core functions like >> kernel or desktop libs, and only essential apps that >> require them (browsers really), but otherwise didn't >> upgrade core until 16.04 when it released. That's >> been a current longer evolutionary story I'll get to >> eventually. >> >> BUT, as far as your current no-booting installer >> problem, I wonder if >> your media are bad. Just for fun, boot System >> Rescue CD and have a look >> around the system to verify no disk or RAM >> problems, and that the >> processor is what you think it is. If you can't >> boot System Rescue CD >> either, that points an accusing finger at your >> DVD drive. >> >> This is something I'd seen before actually, I'd >> mentioned another time about arch and disk-label >> usage. I don't think it's media, but who knows. My >> 10 year old spindle of dvd-r's might be breaking down >> by now, but first time I've seen this with a >> anything, why I tried both the built-in, and a usb, >> of which I've used hundreds of times to boot things, >> almost always said linux boxes over the past 10 >> years, another not long ago. >> >> Also, try burning your disks with cdrecord (or >> wodim) instead of a gui. >> I use a command something like this: >> >> cdrecord dev=/dev/sr0 padsize=63s >> driveropts=burnfree \ >> -pad -dao -v -eject myimage.iso >> >> The padsize=63s and -pad help with the Linux >> readahead bug. Burnfree >> means you don't unknowingly make coasters or bad >> discs if your computer >> can't deliver the data fast enough. >> >> If you perform the burn like I mentioned above, >> you *should* be able to >> md5 check the disc to the same md5sum as the iso >> file by following >> directions here: >> >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm >> >> >> Interesting - I've not had to adjust a cd like that >> using k3b on linux ever or nero in win since doing so >> for pirated drm games. Only time seeing something >> like that is using unetbootin to make the usb where >> it doesn't know the iso expects a certain disk label >> to exist. This seemed more a sloppy iso build in the >> few hours I had with the system and ample frustration >> to write that. >> >> Thank you for that tidbit, I'll try it after I fiddle >> with the bios more on this. I'm going to try a kde >> neon build (really what I'm interested in more here), >> I just didn't have the time as it showed up 5 hours >> before I had to pack, sleep, and hop on a plane (sad, >> I know). It's a t7910 precision dell, more a server >> board than desktop, so I'd really expect better >> behaviour here on either pc or ubuntu. >> >> I'll update when I get to it tonight hopefully. >> >> HTH, >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> November 2016 featured book: Quit Joblessness: >> Start Your Own Business >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >> PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail >> settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >> PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail >> settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will >> prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep >> after you hit the snooze button. >> >> Stephen >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, >> unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss > mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, > unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > Stephen > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss