What are some of the gotchas he can expect in installing: server -> delta desktop repository -> delta desktop gui -> no more than two days tweaking system? OR: desktop install -> delta server -> tweak? I'd expect using the server distro as the base to work better with a server enabled workstation, but that's just a layperson's hunch. On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM Brian Cluff wrote: > Plus one for the server install DVD. If you are going to do anything out > of the norm, always reach for the server install. Then just apt install > kubuntu-desktop when everything is done installing. > > Kde neon is pretty good right now and about the only way to get an up to > date kde experience right now, but it will still use the Ubuntu installer. > It would probably be best for you to use the server install cd, then add > the neon repositories, and then install the the neon-desktop > > > Brian Cluff > > On November 7, 2016 1:17:07 PM MST, Stephen Partington < > cryptworks@gmail.com> wrote: > > Wow. you worked much harder with the desktop install media than i would > have. I usually 86 the desktop install media and just use the server > install media to get the LVM/Raid settings i want to use. i just have to > remember to disable the network wait on boot. > > I am about to try something like this again for a while as Windows 10 is > irking me again more and more. > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Michael Butash wrote: > > Sorry for the fire and forget, had to rebuild a data center for a customer > over the weekend - I was just really hoping to have the darn box up before > I left to work on it remote, such a simple feat normally, but I had no time > for anyways. > > Rest inline... > > > On 11/03/2016 03:54 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:38:24 -0700 > Michael Butash wrote: > > This is really why I have a hate/love relation with ubuntu, it never > fails to disappoint. My road to 16.04 has been all upgrades so far, > this time I'm using 16.04.1 cd's from scratch. > > Curious: What do you love about it? You seem like the kind of person > who could work with any distro. > > Short answer, it usually works where others do not with my graphics, a > 6-head amd video card which until recently, I used all ports on. > > Long story, probably tldr (you asked!), definitely love/hate... > > After my last straw with windoze and making the decision to force myself > to use linux to both learn and abandon m$ shitty ecosystem circa 2006, I > tried a bit of everything disto-wise. I always loathed redhat and rpm hell > (no, yum didn't entirely fix this, and much later), I came from > slackware/open|freebsd/solaris background having no desire to go back, and > oddly landed on Mandrake for a bit. Until I started hacking on it, and > things came unglued. > > I decided to try Ubuntu after reading about debian roots I've heard > praised (tried for 2 seconds, got annoyed, don't remember now why), I think > 6.04 at the time, and oddly it "just worked". > > I didn't begin to have any real issues until 10.10 until the era of unity > hell began, and they started trying to make Ubuntu install more idiot-proof > for, well idiots. Sadly it removed all the good features like complex > raid, crypto, and lvm setup, making it about as stupid as possible, but > there was always the alt installer and just simply not using unity, if I > could just get the damn os on a system. Thanks Canonical. > > They then pissed on that, fiddling with (breaking) the alt installer > removing fdisk (it's what I used for my raid+crypto+lvm setup), and > ultimately doing away with the alt installer all together as insult to > injury. Again I worked around them in other ways, building my fs manually > with an arch cd first learning how to build it all manually from busybox > again, and trick the netboot installer into working over it. Thanks again > Canonoical. > > Around 2014, I got really annoyed after dist-upgrade blew up my system > that I decide to sojourn a bit and explore distros again with a new laptop > I'd gotten. I couldn't even get fedora's vaunted installer to reproduce my > raid+crypt+lvm setup, and despised the notion of going back to it anyways, > but at the request of a friend that for some reason likes it, tried. Even > tried Red Hat's official installer, more broken than fedora, scratch > either/or. Tried Arch too, got to a desktop, and found hell with the AMD > drivers and graphics capabilities in general. > > I settled on Mint Debian edition with Mate, as Cinnamon was all sorts of > broken with compositing on even the most basic intel gpu, which seemed like > instant fail. Mate was great, and used that for a bit until with some new > ssd's I'd begun to rebuild my desktop with mint de mate, and found ATI > graphic hell in my desktop. AMD only cares about fedora/ubuntu as a linux > entity, knew it would likely work there, and again hacked ubuntu back onto > my system. It's the same install I'm using today, and eventually moved my > laptop back to ubuntu. > > What I really can't fathom is how Canonical can keep breaking their > installers in such new and creative ways each time, and only I seem to > notice, but then again, I expect linux features most people don't know even > exist or care about like raid, crypto, or volume management. > > If BTRFS or ZFS supported better encryption, I'd love to use one native fs > to do all the raid/crypto/lvm in it. I think as of this year, either/both > might, so worth exploring, but I bet ubuntu's installers will still suck in > dealing with them. > > Yes, AMD is a root evil for linux graphics and at times the kernels, but > nvidia to this day still has not put out a 6-head video card like AMD that > I actually use all 6 ports of. Now I have 3x montiors (well, tv's), so > this new one has a nice new 1070 card in it. Which thanks to their crappy > business practices too of not releasing firmware immediately (that amd > would decompile), I know nouveau has issues with, and the binary drive is > necessary. I'm handy with cli here, not too worried, more that their > drivers suck too these days. > > I really don't want to have to make a circle of distro's to end up > back here again, but ubuntu is always so basically dysfunctional > these days with the most basic things, it's hard to want to care. > > I wonder how much others have seen this. This is with legacy boot in > bios, no uefi crap, and just a basic d-i based ubuntu server install, > and/or kubuntu. > > I used Ubuntu for several years because it "just works." The trouble > was, as I got more sophisticated, Ubuntu's seatbelts and airbags and > danger sensing devices and training wheels and all that other stuff so > necessary to the newbie badly got in my way. > > I agree, it feels almost childish to still use Ubuntu at this stage, but > nothing else has worked suitably, and I'm somewhat tired of > trying+disappointment when history has proven most others to be inadequate > or worse. > > So I ditched Ubuntu for Debian, and that was great, but then Debian > went systemd so I switched to Void Linux, and after a rocky 5 weeks of > Void newbie-ism, Void has turned out to be the most useful, maleable > and stable distro I've ever used. I've used Void for over a year now. > > That's why I tried Mint Debian Edition - figured deb it might suck less > and just wanted a modern ui, but found that their driver support for AMD, > or rather a support for modern versions thereof for graphics were fairly > lacking, and no one from a major org cares enough to fix it. I simply > could not get their kernel to take the amd driver, which was a > non-starter. It's actually what drove me finally back to Ubuntu natively > just for a working video solution, and at times keeps me bound. > > I think you've probably outgrown Ubuntu. > > See above. It tends to work great as long as I don't have to 1) install > it via "normal" means or 2) upgrade it, both often suck these days. Both > have simply continued to get worse and worse, and I only encounter them > every few years out of necessity of they are also both my primary means of > working as my own business. Once I hit 14.04 stable, I upgraded only upon > absolute necessity core functions like kernel or desktop libs, and only > essential apps that require them (browsers really), but otherwise didn't > upgrade core until 16.04 when it released. That's been a current longer > evolutionary story I'll get to eventually. > > BUT, as far as your current no-booting installer problem, I wonder if > your media are bad. Just for fun, boot System Rescue CD and have a look > around the system to verify no disk or RAM problems, and that the > processor is what you think it is. If you can't boot System Rescue CD > either, that points an accusing finger at your DVD drive. > > This is something I'd seen before actually, I'd mentioned another time > about arch and disk-label usage. I don't think it's media, but who knows. > My 10 year old spindle of dvd-r's might be breaking down by now, but first > time I've seen this with a anything, why I tried both the built-in, and a > usb, of which I've used hundreds of times to boot things, almost always > said linux boxes over the past 10 years, another not long ago. > > Also, try burning your disks with cdrecord (or wodim) instead of a gui. > I use a command something like this: > > cdrecord dev=/dev/sr0 padsize=63s driveropts=burnfree \ > -pad -dao -v -eject myimage.iso > > The padsize=63s and -pad help with the Linux readahead bug. Burnfree > means you don't unknowingly make coasters or bad discs if your computer > can't deliver the data fast enough. > > If you perform the burn like I mentioned above, you *should* be able to > md5 check the disc to the same md5sum as the iso file by following > directions here: > > http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm > > Interesting - I've not had to adjust a cd like that using k3b on linux > ever or nero in win since doing so for pirated drm games. Only time seeing > something like that is using unetbootin to make the usb where it doesn't > know the iso expects a certain disk label to exist. This seemed more a > sloppy iso build in the few hours I had with the system and ample > frustration to write that. > > Thank you for that tidbit, I'll try it after I fiddle with the bios more > on this. I'm going to try a kde neon build (really what I'm interested in > more here), I just didn't have the time as it showed up 5 hours before I > had to pack, sleep, and hop on a plane (sad, I know). It's a t7910 > precision dell, more a server board than desktop, so I'd really expect > better behaviour here on either pc or ubuntu. > > I'll update when I get to it tonight hopefully. > > HTH, > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > November 2016 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business > http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss